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re: Just How Good was Charles Alexander?
Posted on 11/12/26 at 10:17 am to SaintlyTiger88
Posted on 11/12/26 at 10:17 am to SaintlyTiger88
How good was he?
LSU lost the Sun Bowl game, yet they gave Alexander the MVP award for the game. You just rarely, if ever, see that.
LSU lost the Sun Bowl game, yet they gave Alexander the MVP award for the game. You just rarely, if ever, see that.
Posted on 11/12/26 at 10:28 am to shrevetigertom
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My first game at Tiger Stadium was in 1977 against Rice. LSU won 77-0 and Alexander had 155 yards. I knew then that he was awesome.
Was there too. Carlos Carson caught 5 touchdown passes in that game. Amazing.
Posted on 11/12/26 at 10:31 am to SaintlyTiger88
Played a pickup game of basketball with him in the fieldhouse his senior year(my freshman). He knocked me down with a two hand chest pass!
Posted on 11/12/26 at 10:42 am to TexTgrTed
Alexander "The Great"
-Super fast
-Great person
-Great player
-Not really a great cutter
-More straight-line guy
-Super fast
-Great person
-Great player
-Not really a great cutter
-More straight-line guy
Posted on 11/12/26 at 11:07 am to mdomingue
Fournette only played 2 years. gotta rank his stats above everyone. Had he played 4 years he would have surpassed everyone on the list.
Posted on 11/12/26 at 11:12 am to sta4ever
You are consistently one of the worst posters on here. Congrats.
Posted on 11/12/26 at 11:20 am to Jauquismos
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You are consistently one of the worst posters on here. Congrats.
he is a shite poster on all boards
Posted on 11/12/26 at 11:22 am to redfish99
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More so a poor man’s Derrick Henry.
I'd say, based on the numbers, Alexander was comparable to, and very much the Derrick Henry of his day. A "poor man's DH" is minimizing Alexander's solid accomplishments done 40 years prior.
2015 season - Henry
15 games 395 carries - 26.3 carries per game. - 2,219 yds. - 5.6 avg ypc - 147.9 avg. ypg
1977 season - Alexander
11 games 311 carries - 28.3 carries per game - 1,686 yds.- 5.4 avg. ypc - 153.3 avg. ypg
Had Alexander played in 15 games like Henry, he would have likely had 425 carries - 2,292 yds.
Had Henry played in 11 games like Alexander, he would have likely had 289 carries - 1,620 yds.
FWIW, here are Emmitt Smith's 1989 numbers
11 games 284 carries - 25.8 carries per game - 1,599 yds.- 5.6 avg. ypc - 145.4 avg. ypg
We can compare great SEC RB's all day long as the fact remains, Charles Alexander is a top 3 LSU RB (1. Faulk 2. Hilliard)
Posted on 11/12/26 at 11:32 am to arseinclarse
Broussard was soft. Alexander wasn’t.
Posted on 11/12/26 at 11:36 am to SaintlyTiger88
I recall him being better than Archie Griffin at Cincinnati
Posted on 11/12/26 at 11:44 am to basiletiger
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Fournette only played 2 years. gotta rank his stats above everyone
Using that "What if" logic, Cecil Collins is the GOAT LSU RB (8.3 yds per carry). In reality, you have to judge performance and rankings based on the facts and actual body of work.
Fournette trucking the Ole Miss defender and his TD run vs. Auburn were amazing plays. However, you can't forget Fournette shitting in the bed on the National stage when he lost the Heisman to Derrick Henry. This abysmal performance is 100% on Les Miles for poor game planning, easily predictable play-calling, and making 0 offensive adjustments.
LF: 19 attempts, 31 yards, 1.6 yards per carry, 1 touchdown
DH: 38 attempts, 210 yards, 5.5 yards per carry, 3 touchdowns
Posted on 11/12/26 at 11:57 am to SaintlyTiger88
Charles Alexander was seriously special. People who didn’t get to watch him play don’t fully appreciate what he brought to LSU. He deserves a lot more recognition when discussing the great running backs in program history.
Posted on 11/12/26 at 11:57 am to Ace Midnight
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Dalton Hilliard. End of discussion. I saw #4 a lot. But DH is the best RB at LSU period.
They were different sorts of backs. Hilliard was a scat back with power. Not particularly fast at the top end, he had body control and ability to change directions/make people miss, particularly in traffic. He was also a hard runner inside for his size.
Just as Alexander and Fournette are more alike than different (LF7 was really a genetic anomaly - no reason a guy that big and strong should also have been that fast), Hilliard and Kevin Faulk are more alike than different.
There's really nobody in LSU's history that is similar to Dalton Hilliard. That old description of him - "Hilliard, who has ENOURMOUS thighs"- is true. He was about 190 in college, and looked like a small back from the waist up; and looked like an OG or DT from the legs down.
He had the most moves of any back I've ever seen, and maybe the least straightline speed of any. I remember his one long run against I think Notre Dame, he burst out and hit the right sideline, and it was almost painful to watch (although he did score). He ran down the field like a dump truck stuck in 3rd gear.
But God help you if you had to tackle him in traffic. That picture of him running vs Bama, the first pic, I wouldn't be surprised if he cut back to his right and kept running after the photo.
Posted on 11/12/26 at 12:09 pm to Scoob
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There's really nobody in LSU's history that is similar to Dalton Hilliard.
I stand by my Faulk comparison. Kevin Faulk was freakishly strong for his size. I think certainly faster than Dalton with probably better acceleration, not quite as shifty (but 3 had plenty of moves).
I mean, we remember Faulk as a great receiver out of the backfield and Hilliard had almost double the receiving yards. Now, Dalton did try to return kicks as a junior (and was explosive in limited duty it must be added) but Faulk was an accomplished kick and punt returner.
Faulk and Hilliard had almost identical yardages from scrimmage, but Faulk had over 1600 return yardage.
If All Purpose Back had a "Heisman"-level award, Faulk might have won it twice.
Just out of sentimentality, if I was building a Dream Team of former Tigers it would hard for me not to put Hilliard back at TB/HB just because I was also a Saints fan during that era. (And doggone it if I don't miss Hokie for similar, sentimental reasons.)
This post was edited on 11/12/26 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 11/12/26 at 12:26 pm to Scoob
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He had the most moves of any back I've ever seen,
To watch him run from the EZ was simply wow. As for moves, the only back that was similar was Barry Sanders. Sanders was better but Dalton wore my colors.
Posted on 11/12/26 at 1:55 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Extremely Good and a hard working running back who ran hard and fast and 1 of the best to wear P&G
Posted on 11/12/26 at 2:03 pm to texastigerr
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He didn't fade as a pro. He was drafted as a tailback by the Bengals and they moved him to fullback where he played fullback with Ikky Woods at tailback. They didn't give him the ball that much as I recall.
He didn't play with Ickey Woods because Alexander was out of the league by the time Woods debuted in 1988. But he had a nice 7-year career.
Alexander played at the same time as Pete Johnson, who the Bengals used as their battering ram, and then James Brooks, who was smaller and a little more versatile than both.
Alexander did play in a Super Bowl, and unfortunately got stopped at the goal line on a pass reception on the series that ended up being the 49ers' famous goal line stand of Super Bowl XVI. According to the NFL Films highlight film of that game, Alexander was supposed to run his route into the end zone, but he cut it short of the goal line and got tackled right after he caught the ball.
This post was edited on 11/12/26 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 11/12/26 at 2:08 pm to SOCAL TIGER
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Those number are when they only played 10 games tops per year
Alexander played 44 career games.
Fournette played 32 career games.
So Chuck has an entire 12 game season more than LF to pad stats.
Interesting they both had another elite back with them in James and Guice. Same with Cannon and Stovall.
Posted on 11/12/26 at 4:45 pm to AlwysATgr
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He had the most moves of any back I've ever seen,
To watch him run from the EZ was simply wow. As for moves, the only back that was similar was Barry Sanders. Sanders was better but Dalton wore my colors.
I've always said, the only difference between Dalton and Barry Sanders (widely accepted as the greatest NFL back of all time) was the top end speed; Hilliard had little to none. But he was the ultimate parkour running back- he would wiggle, contort, shift and spin while still going forward like no other.
Posted on 11/12/26 at 4:58 pm to Bayoubred
Yes, teams pushed those kids out there with 'nicks' back then; he was a bit banged up getting thru some hard running that junior year, and he was not the same back senior year/pro years.
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