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re: Jus asking….why did LSU not recruit Tanner Hall?

Posted on 6/6/22 at 8:32 am to
Posted by GA Tiger
Woodstock
Member since Aug 2005
3500 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 8:32 am to
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PM did a very poor job with recruiting his last 5 years here. Take a look at this roster today and tell me he did a good job. PM was lazy and missed on several recruits.


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Posted by Gray Tiger
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2004
36512 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 8:40 am to
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They didn’t recruit a SEC pitcher in their own backyard because Paul was told he should, but he’s now an unemployed idiot.



And you sir are an idiot whether or not you are employed.

Just remember on the worst day of his life Paul knows more about baseball then you ever will.

I challenge all of you clowns that like to crap on ex-L S U coaches to actually achieve something first before you run them down.

Tearing someone down does NOT lift you up.
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
Member since Jan 2007
14546 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 8:44 am to
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Grades? As he not that good coming out of HS and developed in college?


It’s more about player development than missing a recruit. Between USM and LSU, LSU wins the recruiting battle almost every time. USM has been better than us at player development, especially pitching. Their coaching staff has done more with less to be equal to LSU. I expect Johnson will change that, but you have to tip your hat to Coach Berry and his staff. They do a terrific job at USM.
This post was edited on 6/6/22 at 7:05 pm
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22847 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 8:51 am to
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It seems to me LSU never seeks to recruit the diamond in the rough


Are you of the opinion that LSU should actively seek to recruit “diamonds in the rough” over higher ranked prospects?

For every Tanner Hall there are hundreds of guys that turn out to be exactly what everyone thought they were.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
16991 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 8:52 am to
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It seems to me LSU never seeks to recruit the diamond in the rough. They always go for the more polished player. Being LSU you have that luxury, but it seems LSU doesn’t do a good job of development of the arms they have. Hopefully this new coaching staff will solve that issue.

No top 10 program is looking for a diamond in the rough. They go for top prospects because they have more talent and or more likely to be successful than the others.

The past 5 years this board complains every year that we don't have enough pitchers throwing 95+. Now they are wondering why we didn't recruit some random kid throwing in the mid 80's.
Posted by Perdro Cerrano
Member since Oct 2013
14 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 8:57 am to
Guys,

USM fan here.

Chill the F out on this.

-He came in with an excellent 2-seamer that was high-80s to 90 and an okay change. As a sophomore and junior in HS (when players are recruited), he probably threw mid-80s. Hell, there's a story about how he nearly quit baseball early in high school. Diamond in the rough who probably developed his last year of HS.
-Our pitching coach may be one of the best in the country. Every single pitcher that we have improves their control and increases their velocity. Last year, Hall's two-seamer sometimes moved so much that he had issues commanding it. His change was not what it is now. He's gotten better command of his two-seamer and increased it a couple of ticks and his change has turned into a really devastating weapon.

He's a guy that did not jump off the page but there was "pitchability" with a unique weapon (2-seamer) and he got with one of the best pitching coaches in the country.
Posted by Bonjourno
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2010
2764 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 9:00 am to
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It seems to me LSU never seeks to recruit the diamond in the rough. They always go for the more polished player


Can you let us know the next time that you know the 900+ ranked player will develop into a beast? Thanks in advance
Posted by geauxtigers33
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2014
13735 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 9:05 am to
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It seems to me LSU never seeks to recruit the diamond in the rough.


I am perfectly fine with LSU not doing this BTW.

Recruiting is about playing the percentages. 4 and 5 star recruits pan out at a higher percentage than 2 and 3 star recruits.
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22847 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 9:07 am to
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He's a guy that did not jump off the page but there was "pitchability" with a unique weapon (2-seamer) and he got with one of the best pitching coaches in the country.


Absolutely, but those are simply not the kind of guys LSU is looking to recruit out of HS.
Posted by bknight00
East of the Rockies
Member since Aug 2007
548 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 9:12 am to
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Can you let us know the next time that you know the 900+ ranked player will develop into a beast? Thanks in advance


Wow. Comprehension is at an all time low on here. I plainly said. LSU NEVER recruits the diamonds in the rough. They always go after the polished player. My gripe is all about developing the polished guy into an All American stud. I just want the new coaching staff not to hurt our pitchers and develop arms that will make LSU back into a national power. Our entire staff isn’t as good as the USM pitching staff. To me, that’s a coaching and development issue.
Posted by Perdro Cerrano
Member since Oct 2013
14 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 9:12 am to
Why would you, though? You don't need to look for diamonds in the rough.

Our staff doesn't look for diamonds in the rough because they want to. I guarantee that they would prefer to recruit guys like Floyd, Money, etc.
Posted by Supermoto Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2010
10472 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 9:13 am to
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why did LSU not recruit Tanner Hall?

As he not that good coming out of HS and developed in college?


The question should be...
"Why is LSU or JJ not recruiting, Christian Ostrander, USM pitching coach, that developed Tanner Hall into the pitcher he has become today?

In his 4 year tenure, he guided the USM pitching staff in leading the country in the category of strikeout-to-walk ratio.



USM ranks inside the top five nationally in five different pitching categories:

2nd – Strikeout-to-walk ratio (4.25)
2nd – WHIP (1.13)
3rd – Earned-run-average (3.02)
4th – Strikeouts per nine innings (11.3)
4th – Walks allowed per nine innings (2.65)

Thats the question someone needs to address.
Hire this mofo, yesterday!
Posted by Woodshedking
Washington, DC
Member since Sep 2019
16 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 9:17 am to
Ostrander also had the national pitcher of the year in 2018 with Nick Sandlin.

He’s not going anywhere. He’s going to be head coach in a couple years. He’s basically coach in waiting now. He told Tulane no thanks for an interview for their head job.
Posted by tigers1956
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2008
5322 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 9:18 am to
Anyone but CPM….he sucked the life out of the box….he should have been fired after losing to Florida state in the super regional AT HOME….
Heard he did a horrible job of recruiting players and developing them….
Posted by bknight00
East of the Rockies
Member since Aug 2007
548 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 9:21 am to
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Why would you, though? You don't need to look for diamonds in the rough. Our staff doesn't look for diamonds in the rough because they want to. I guarantee that they would prefer to recruit guys like Floyd, Money, etc.


I agree, but Floyd or Money , currently, would not sniff the field if they were on the USM roster. They both have a far higher ceiling, but have not developed into better pitchers and that’s a coaching issue. Like I’ve said, hopefully this new coaching staff will remedy that.
Posted by Nation of Buga
Sandy Eggo
Member since Aug 2014
2240 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 9:24 am to
Probably for the same reason every other SEC, ACC, and Big XII team didn’t.
Posted by DRock88
Member since Aug 2015
10249 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 9:28 am to
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I agree, but Floyd or Money , currently, would not sniff the field if they were on the USM roster.


Floyd, right now, is one of the best pitchers in the country. Any poster that has anything bad to say about his recent performances is clueless. He's been excellent for 6 appearances in a row, after needing a reset.
Posted by BrianKellyBurner21
Member since Apr 2022
106 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 11:04 am to
Hall has success from mixing his pitches well and has a good changeup. Stays in the low 90's. I don't see why there is any reason we can't develop our recruits who already have the velocity there, but somehow we just don't.
Posted by Coach112214
Member since Sep 2015
42 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 11:22 am to
LSU doesn't recruit guys who are RH and throw mid 80s. That's why he was not offered.
Posted by GeauxBall
Member since Apr 2019
552 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 11:22 am to
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He was 5’10” and 150lbs throwing mid 80’s. He’s developed into a really good pitcher but LSU had higher recruits.



So why did he recruit Hilliard then?
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