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Jump was the wrong move IMO
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:32 am
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:32 am
No, not because he didn't have it or gave up the tying/winning runs.
Pitching is a mindset/mentality. Jump has been trained all season to be a starter. The routine is different, he knows he can give up a few hits, walks, etc and still be ok through 6/7 innings.
Ack on the other hand has had the mindset of a reliver role. Bringing him in high pressure situations, having to get an out or two, K a batter with a lefty/lefty matchup, etc etc.
There's no doubt Jump is the better pitcher of the 2, but in that situation, you have to at minimum let Ack role out there for a batter and see how he does. He had momentum from the previous inning and shut them down.
Pitching is a mindset/mentality. Jump has been trained all season to be a starter. The routine is different, he knows he can give up a few hits, walks, etc and still be ok through 6/7 innings.
Ack on the other hand has had the mindset of a reliver role. Bringing him in high pressure situations, having to get an out or two, K a batter with a lefty/lefty matchup, etc etc.
There's no doubt Jump is the better pitcher of the 2, but in that situation, you have to at minimum let Ack role out there for a batter and see how he does. He had momentum from the previous inning and shut them down.
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:33 am to dukeg7213
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No, not because he didn't have it or gave up the tying/winning runs.
Pitching is a mindset/mentality. Jump has been trained all season to be a starter. The routine is different, he knows he can give up a few hits, walks, etc and still be ok through 6/7 innings.
Ack on the other hand has had the mindset of a reliver role. Bringing him in high pressure situations, having to get an out or two, K a batter with a lefty/lefty matchup, etc etc.
There's no doubt Jump is the better pitcher of the 2, but in that situation, you have to at minimum let Ack role out there for a batter and see how he does. He had momentum from the previous inning and shut them down.
I'd bet if Jay rolled with Ack and he blew the lead while you had Jump available, you'd sing a different tune.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:34 am to dukeg7213
Ah. You think this is a new argument.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:34 am to dukeg7213
Giving your best pitcher the last 3 outs is not wrong
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 10:39 am
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:34 am to JiminyCricket
I wouldn't. Ack has been great down the stretch and dating back to last year, was elite in the postseason.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:38 am to dukeg7213
Is a percentage game. Everything about the game is mathematically decided. If I had to get 3 outs who would I use him or Ack. No brainer we lost the odds play . Same thing with all
The hard hit balls. % goes way up the harder u hit the ball. I saw we hit 13 balls hard they hit 5 as per exit velocity . We lost the odds. Some would say flukey . I would say “that’s baseball” Where the best teams only win 63% of the time. Over 162 games it evens out it doesn’t over 3. Time to move on # lilniki
The hard hit balls. % goes way up the harder u hit the ball. I saw we hit 13 balls hard they hit 5 as per exit velocity . We lost the odds. Some would say flukey . I would say “that’s baseball” Where the best teams only win 63% of the time. Over 162 games it evens out it doesn’t over 3. Time to move on # lilniki
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:41 am to Quatrepot
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your best pitcher
In that case, why didn't he bring in Jump in the 8th when UNC had a legitimate threat to score instead of Ack?
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:41 am to dukeg7213
1 hit and 0 runs over 7 innings is the bigger problem
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:41 am to dukeg7213
But it would have been the right move if it worked
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:42 am to Quatrepot
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Giving your best pitcher the last 3 outs is not wrong
Against their 7,8,9 hole hitters.
It was the right move 100/100 times and every coach does it. Hindsight here is such bullshite.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:42 am to dukeg7213
CJJ put all his chips to win in the ninth
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:43 am to JiminyCricket
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I'd bet if Jay rolled with Ack and he blew the lead while you had Jump available, you'd sing a different tune.
What if Jay rolled with Ack then brought in Jump if Ack struggled?
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:44 am to Cuz413
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In that case, why didn't he bring in Jump in the 8th when UNC had a legitimate threat to score instead of Ack?
because the plan was to only use Jump for one inning.
the 9th.
with a lead.
was the right plan and the right decision.
it just didn't work.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:44 am to redfish99
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Everything about the game is mathematically decided.
Worst thought ever.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:44 am to Meauxjeaux
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What if Jay rolled with Ack then brought in Jump if Ack struggled?
Like Ack giving up a leadoff homerun in 9th? Jay would have kicked himself for life. He can live with putting in his ace to start the inning even though it didn’t work out
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 10:46 am
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:45 am to dukeg7213
Totally agree. In that situation you send Ack back out to start the 9th. Put a one batter leash on him if you want, but you don’t know how many innings you might need in a close game like that. If Ack even lightly struggles then bring Jump in to be the savior. Too heavy a coaching hand there.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:46 am to dukeg7213
You put your best available on the mound in that situation.
Our batters had multiple chances to put up runs and did not. NC hit the ball when they had to.
We lost because we did not score runs.
Our batters had multiple chances to put up runs and did not. NC hit the ball when they had to.
We lost because we did not score runs.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:47 am to TigerWoodlands
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Totally agree. In that situation you send Ack back out to start the 9th. Put a one batter leash on him if you want, but you don’t know how many innings you might need in a close game like that. If Ack even lightly struggles then bring Jump in to be the savior. Too heavy a coaching hand there.
Ack is far more likely to give up a one swing homer in the 9th than Jump. And Jump was on short rest so the plan was just use him for 1 inning.
It was the right plan. The right plan doesn't always work.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:49 am to dukeg7213
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Jump has been trained all season to be a starter. The routine is different, he knows he can give up a few hits, walks, etc and still be ok through 6/7 innings
there's a shite ton of examples of starters doing exactly what Jump just did.
just off top of my head at LSU
Luis Coleman did it in '09 in Omaha
Landon Marceaux did it in '21
bet your arse Skenes was doing it last year if game 3 was closer than it was
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:54 am to CecilShortsHisPants
I wanted to keep Ack in until he lost one because he was in their heads big time but he was all over the place. He might have walked the first couple of guys and blew it up. Jump was the right move but IMHO he had a dead arm from throwing a lot of pitches in the first game. Even tho he didn’t lose speed, I think his ball lost some movement that comes with a fresh arm.
We didn’t have a true closer ready, well, because we never had one on the roster period, and CJJ just couldn’t trust the rest of the guys in the “last few innings” to not blow up like so many have during the year. The real problem I worried about was if Jump was successful in the 9th, he couldn’t go much further and we were still in trouble with extra innings. We were just out of our best arms, period.
We didn’t have a true closer ready, well, because we never had one on the roster period, and CJJ just couldn’t trust the rest of the guys in the “last few innings” to not blow up like so many have during the year. The real problem I worried about was if Jump was successful in the 9th, he couldn’t go much further and we were still in trouble with extra innings. We were just out of our best arms, period.
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 11:03 am
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