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re: Jordy Culotta drops a MOAB on Dickie V re: Zion/Duke/LSU

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Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 1:03 pm to
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Mom with a job which in all likelihood was legit


Certainly wasn’t legit. She wasn’t qualified & got obscene raises just a few months in. And 2-3 family cars
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 1:04 pm to
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text messages & voicemails.


Thanks for proving my point.
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 1:05 pm to
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Where is the paper trail though?


I don't think you understand what a paper trail is
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 1:05 pm to
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Don’t be obtuse. A physical house that Zion’s family clearly lived in and has its rent and property value listed is hard evidence of an improper benefit.


It’s certainly not hard evidence

I’d call it circumstantial the same way I would file Will Wade’s issues under the same umbrella
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 1:06 pm to
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Thanks for proving my point.


You should listen to Will Wade’s voicemail again
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 1:06 pm to
That's a piece of a paper trail for sure. Nothing else substantiated it, however.

Unlike this.
This post was edited on 6/10/20 at 7:07 pm
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 1:11 pm to
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It’s certainly not hard evidence


A house provided to them that is well beyond their means is not hard evidence?
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 1:12 pm to
So you contend that they don’t have to trace where the money came from & what it went to?
Posted by tigerfan88
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 1:14 pm to
It’s not hard evidence the benefit was improper, but it’s hard evidence of an actual benefit. The inference that the benefit was improper is circumstantial, based on the timing and the economic power of Zion’s family before he signed with Duke. But there’s no question the house existed and Zion’s family lived in it.

Where’s the equivalent proof for Wade and Smart or Wade and Reid? Where’s the proof the benefit actually existed or that Smart or Reid ever received it? And I know just the offer is enough. But literally nothing concrete has yet emerged over what the offer/benefit even was
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 1:14 pm to
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This post was edited on 6/10/20 at 1:33 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 1:16 pm to
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A house provided to them that is well beyond their means is not hard evidence?


About as hard as will wade talking about an offer for smart & ending up at LSU

Or are you now not requiring a paper trail for anything?
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 1:19 pm to
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About as hard as will wade talking about an offer for smart & ending up at LSU

Or are you now not requiring a paper trail for anything?


I mean, there’s obviously more tangible evidence on the Zion house deal
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 1:19 pm to
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So you contend that they don’t have to trace where the money came from & what it went to?


You asked for a paper trail; not indisputable evidence. The whole point of this discovery phase of the trial is to find the concrete evidence you're asking for.

Based off of what's been released - there is more corroborated, circumstantial evidence regarding Duke than the one piece of voicemail against Will Wade.

That's the whole point of this thread. LSU is being treated much more harshly than Duke is by Dickie V for no good reason.

What's so hard to understand? What's there to disagree with?
This post was edited on 6/10/20 at 1:22 pm
Posted by TH03
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 1:31 pm to
Good. frick that piece of shite.
Posted by Silvermoon_WhereRU
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 1:33 pm to
Did they actually pay the rent at $5,000/month or was it a $900/month rental for them?
Posted by Drew Brews
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 1:42 pm to
Was coming here to post the same thing. Wouldn't THAT be the hard evidence of an improper benefit?

Edit: want to also acknowledge how crappy it is that Zion (like Reggie Bush) is the only name that will be remembered if this shite goes sideways. He's not the bad guy in this system.
This post was edited on 6/10/20 at 1:45 pm
Posted by tigermike5
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 1:48 pm to
Now do Marvin Bagley

Family went basically from rags to riches once he signed with Duke.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 1:48 pm to
I don’t disagree with anything. I’m saying the paper trail doesn’t have to be as defined as LSU fans think.

Out of all the things in that twitter thread, the house will draw the most attention but it’s most likely to be legitimized on Dukes end.
Posted by honeybadger07
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 2:04 pm to
"just wait for the facts baby, i dont want to speculate...by the way did you know im in 14 HOF and wrote a children's book baby!!"
Posted by ImayGoLesMiles
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 2:07 pm to
Good. Screw dick Vitale. His overreaction was one of the main reasons that alleva chose to suspend Wade during the NCAA tournament. What a fricking douche.

Look, I don't have any problem with Zion taking benefits or Duke giving them. However, I hate people like Vitale that choose to badmouth another program, like LSU, and publicly shame them while letting the dukes of the world get away with the same thing and worse. It's bullshite and shows his biases towards certain programs and coaches. Hell, dick could be on dukes payroll as well for all we know lol. frick that senile loser.
This post was edited on 6/10/20 at 2:12 pm
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