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re: Jordan Jefferson to take the Stand
Posted on 9/22/11 at 6:26 am to saintsnola48
Posted on 9/22/11 at 6:26 am to saintsnola48
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I wish they would wait for the season to be over, so Jefferson can't play at all this year. Go Lee.
Heaven forbid a real life legal mess get in the way of a game.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 6:35 am to Methuselah
Seems to me this is entire deal is a big waste of time.
2 drunks start a fight and get their butts whipped in the middle of the night..
No one knows what really happened while the guy was laying down on the street.
the guy will be fine...time to move along is my 2 cents..
2 drunks start a fight and get their butts whipped in the middle of the night..
No one knows what really happened while the guy was laying down on the street.
the guy will be fine...time to move along is my 2 cents..
Posted on 9/22/11 at 6:45 am to ApexTiger
is the consensus that the kicker(s) must definitely be on the team? Isn't it possible it could be some hangers-on or friends or just some people in the parking lot who took exception to the (alleged) racial slurs being bandied about? What would happen in all of this if players were somehow involved in the fight (taking swings/etc) but the actual kicking was done by a non-player?
Posted on 9/22/11 at 7:05 am to Shreveporter
JJ take a lesson from the Bill Clinton school of answering questions. I can't be sure, I don't really remember, It hard to say. Depends on what your meaning of kick is? Might have seen someone stumble or trip on the twrip while he was on the floor, i mean lots of people drinking alchol and it was real dark and late, and yeah i had this headache that was messing with my vision and my thinking clearly. All i really know for sure is i was on my third diet coke and i didn't hit anyone. Enough said.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 7:15 am to Shaka Zulu
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Can someone please explain something for me. If Jefferson did not do it and all these people were out there fighting and screaming, then WHO DID IT? Didn't people see who did it???
Too logical. Most would rather spend time playing Internet Lawyer.
:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:
Posted on 9/22/11 at 7:16 am to tigerprl
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JJ take a lesson from the Bill Clinton school of answering questions. I can't be sure, I don't really remember, It hard to say. Depends on what your meaning of kick is? Might have seen someone stumble or trip on the twrip while he was on the floor, i mean lots of people drinking alchol and it was real dark and late, and yeah i had this headache that was messing with my vision and my thinking clearly. All i really know for sure is i was on my third diet coke and i didn't hit anyone. Enough said.
You guys are missing the significance of his testifying. He doesn't have to be guilty to get indicted; He only has to look guilty--even just a little bit. Putting him on the stand means that the defense is pretty confident that he can come off as innocent.
That's why I'm beginning to wonder, per my earlier post, if he's actually innocent. I never would have thought so before.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 7:18 am to Langston
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Can someone please explain something for me. If Jefferson did not do it and all these people were out there fighting and screaming, then WHO DID IT? Didn't people see who did it???
Too logical. Most would rather spend time playing Internet Lawyer.
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Maybe nobody thought to take notes. Maybe most of them were drunk. Maybe it was a bar fight and they didn't bother committing everything to memory.
Who knows. Some people on here are lawyers. The rest of us are just speculating about the facts (not the law).
Posted on 9/22/11 at 7:19 am to Choctaw
It is very hard to understand any bar fight much less describe how it started or who started it when you are a drunk spevtator at 2 a.m.
They make no sense and it is just a part of life for a healthy, young, red blooded american male.
People get hurt - it's part of the program. Do it at your own risk - the man code. Those who got hurt should just move on and try to learn from the experience. It can be dangerous. I saw a guy get shot one night and almost died. A lot of guys carry in La and TX. Best not piss them off. You never know who has one.
The grand jury thing is just crazy. Everyone just needs to go home and forget this. Let the guys back on the team and make them run it off.
They make no sense and it is just a part of life for a healthy, young, red blooded american male.
People get hurt - it's part of the program. Do it at your own risk - the man code. Those who got hurt should just move on and try to learn from the experience. It can be dangerous. I saw a guy get shot one night and almost died. A lot of guys carry in La and TX. Best not piss them off. You never know who has one.
The grand jury thing is just crazy. Everyone just needs to go home and forget this. Let the guys back on the team and make them run it off.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 7:21 am to Navytiger74
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The rest of us are just speculating about the facts (not the law).
You must have missed the first half of the thread yesterday. Facts were few and far between, and half the wanna be lawyers were quoting google shite
Posted on 9/22/11 at 7:25 am to 756
Just curious: Why are all these witnesses just now showing up to testify? If JJ was innocent, why didn't all these people volunteer their testimony during the investigation? For, what, 2 weeks the police were investigating and to my recollection the majority of the witnesses were pro-"victims".
NOW suddenly we have a lot of players stepping up to testify. Where were they back then?
Looks bad to me.
NOW suddenly we have a lot of players stepping up to testify. Where were they back then?
Looks bad to me.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 7:29 am to tigerprl
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JJ take a lesson from the Bill Clinton school of answering questions. I can't be sure, I don't really remember, It hard to say. Depends on what your meaning of kick is? Might have seen someone stumble or trip on the twrip while he was on the floor, i mean lots of people drinking alchol and it was real dark and late, and yeah i had this headache that was messing with my vision and my thinking clearly. All i really know for sure is i was on my third diet coke and i didn't hit anyone. Enough said.
He doesn't have to to testify at all. If he is going to be evasive, he would be a fool to testify, and his lawyer would not allow him to testify. If he is the slightest bit evasive or tentative in his answers, any chance to avoid indictment will be lost. A defendant testifying before the grand jury is a high risk strategy. Given that he apparently has a string of witnesses willing to testify that he didn't kick Lowery, and who are subject to perjury charges if they lie to the grand jury, his lawyer must be pretty confident that JJ will be a good witness on his own behalf.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 7:31 am to LSUCouyon
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Looks bad to me.
So they weren't prepared to lie during simple police questioning, but they are now prepared to lie under pain of perjury?
Or maybe you mean it looks bad on them as teammates. I could have misinterpreted.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 7:32 am to LSUCouyon
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Just curious: Why are all these witnesses just now showing up to testify? If JJ was innocent, why didn't all these people volunteer their testimony during the investigation? For, what, 2 weeks the police were investigating and to my recollection the majority of the witnesses were pro-"victims". NOW suddenly we have a lot of players stepping up to testify. Where were they back then? Looks bad to me.
There are possibly very good reasons. The bigger question is why didn't the police question them before?
Posted on 9/22/11 at 7:38 am to saintsnola48
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So Jefferson will be forced to tell who really kicked the guy during the fight. If he didn't do it, he knows who did. If he doesn't tell who did it, or even who he heard did it, he will go down.
Did it ever occur to you that Jordan Jefferson might only be able to tell the grand jury what HE did during the fracas, that he never saw anybody getting kicked in the head or IF he did see somebody kicking a victim in the head, that he either didn't know who the kicker was or can't conclusively identify him? WHY do you assume that whomever did the kicking was either JJ or another LSU football player that JJ can finger?
Posted on 9/22/11 at 7:38 am to tigahslawyer
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this whole affair has been ridiculous if jordan jefferson was not the lsu quarterback, nothing would have been done the police or the da....it a damn bar fight....witnesses drunk = no way to prove case beyond reasonable doubt shame on baton rouge and the baton rouge police department....jordan is getting a RAW F---- DEAL
I couldn't agree more. I've said it before in other threads, but I'll say it again.
For those interested, in 2010 (according to the BRPD website) in Baton Rouge, there were 69 murders, 58 rapes, 953 robberies, 1473 aggravated assualts and 3,973 burglaries and it seems the BRPD got smart on how to hide what's happening this year as I could find no year-to-date statistics on these crime catagories.
My belief is that our DA is working harder to protect his job than he is to do his job. The DA has prosecutorial discretion. Plead it down to a misdemeanor, be done with it, stop wasting valuable resources both in the DA's office and in the BRPD and try to go about reducing the more serious crimes in our city.
Like I said before, thanks to the BRPD and the DA's office, I still have to worry about my families safety when they go to the mall, but I no longer have to worry about them being attacked by rogue LSU football players. I feel much better now.
This post was edited on 9/22/11 at 7:42 am
Posted on 9/22/11 at 7:44 am to windmill
quote:And yet, justice being properly served is fundamentally more important than whether or not you perceive dissension on your favorite football team.
Mine is no dissension within the team
Posted on 9/22/11 at 7:44 am to tiggerthetooth
quote:You sir, are a colossal asswipe.
Cool, don't care.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 7:48 am to tigerprl
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JJ take a lesson from the Bill Clinton school of answering questions. I can't be sure, I don't really remember, It hard to say. Depends on what your meaning of kick is? Might have seen someone stumble or trip on the twrip while he was on the floor, i mean lots of people drinking alchol and it was real dark and late, and yeah i had this headache that was messing with my vision and my thinking clearly. All i really know for sure is i was on my third diet coke and i didn't hit anyone. Enough said.
And yet, that's not at all what he's trying to do. Good try going political and bashing Clinton, though, that always works on the Rant.
Posted on 9/22/11 at 7:50 am to filmmaker45
quote:If JJ was your son, you'd be screaming bloody murder to have him exonerated immediately.
This shite needs to be quiet till football season is over. I don't want anything we have right now to be messed up over this shite
Posted on 9/22/11 at 7:56 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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If JJ was your son, you'd be screaming bloody murder to have him exonerated immediately.
Assuming he's innocent he still found himself in a bad situation and should have known better. Hopefully he studies hard and gets a degree
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