re: Jordan Jefferson to take the Stand

It seems to me that if the players are only now willing to testify, WHY is that? I'm thinking putting myself in their place, that if I had been there and knew that JJ didn't do the deed, why am I only willing to go to the GJ now?
Seems like I would have given an account during the preliminary investigation.
I'm sure I would have been pissin-pants scared to approach the PD, but if I knew my teammate was innocent, I hope I would have done it before now.

I am not sure if their will be an inditement or not, but I will tell you that if you think BRPD has all of this top seceret evidence about this case that has not been uncovered through media outlets, or on the rant, then you also believe that Crowton has a top seceret playbook that every play will score a td, but he only pulls it out 2/3 of the way through the season.

My thought is while everyone in BR does not have access to interviewing the witnesses. They have put in 1000x the man hours in to researching this case as BRPD has. Look at the video that appeared and the steps that were made to identify the kicker. That was some serous research. I would venture to say if BRPD and the defense was not following the rant for at least 1 week post fight they are dumber than I thought.

I also think the most damming thing you have is that video of a guy all in black kicking lowery, while JJ is in white. Grand Jury's love physical evidence, and that is evidence that points to him being innocent and giving credence to the LSU witness statements.

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All i really know for sure is i was on my third diet coke and i didn't hit anyone. Enough said.

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Actually, I don't think Jefferson drinks. Seriously.

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I would venture to say if BRPD and the defense was not following the rant for at least 1 week post fight they are dumber than I thought.

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I think it's almost certain that some LSU football player(s) kicked a dude in the head repeatedly while he was down and outmanned in a bar fight, and any players doing this should be kicked off the team in my opinion.

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What dude? Lowery or one of the three truck dudes? Let's not conflate the issues, the "victims," or the injuries.

The three truck dudes do not implicate Jefferson.
I think it's equally likely that the injuries suffered by the three truck victims were inflicted by non-football players. First, only two football players have been charged, and there is nothing at all that links Johns or Jefferson to the three truck dudes. Second, the latest indications are that the truck dudes exited their truck and started a fight with non-football players. So let's put the three truck dudes to the side.

The video does not implicate Jefferson.
Let's move on to Lowery. We've all seen the video, no one has identified Jefferson as a kicker. Not one person.

The DNA tests do not implicate Jefferson.
The BRPD tested 49 pairs of shoes. They didn't just look for blood. They also conducted the more sophisticated touch DNA tests. They tested for epithelial cells.

Lowery's statements do not implicate Jefferson.
The only think left are the statements of Lowery and friends. However, Lowery can NOT identify who kicked him. So who saw it? Lowery's paramour? Could she really identify Jefferson without coaching? Did Lowery do anything that night that he might be embarrassed about? Did Lowery stalk his ex-girlfriend? Yes. Did Lowery hit Wing? Yes. Was Lowery asked to leave the bar? Yes. If Lowery did not see the person who kicked him, and his paramour would not be able to identify any player, who would be a believable target for his paramour to identify? Did Lowery and friends have time to put their story together? Yes.

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The fact that Johns & Jefferson are facing major charges, while nobody else does, looks very bad for them. It's hard to believe that prosecutors would be so incompetent to just randomly charge guys based on the most exciting rumors out there.

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The prosecutor have NOT charged anyone. Let's be clear on that issue.

The police processed Johns and Jefferson. To do that, all they needed was "probable cause." Probable cause only requires a "reasonable belief" that Johns and Jefferson committed a crime. That "reasonable belief" can be based on something as paper thin as Lowery's and his paramour's statement. That's all the police need. The initial report is based solely upon Lowery and paramour. The initial report names Johns and Jefferson. It appears that the police ultimately relied solely upon the initial report.

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On the other hand, the case is looking bad for prosecutors right now. You don't necessarily have to have a criminal case against a player in order for the coach to decide that he needs to be kicked off the team, but at this point, I suppose it's possible that the B.R. prosecutors just Nifong-ed this thing from start to finish.

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The DA's office just received the case recently. It's been the BRPD up to now.

You don't have to believe that the BRPD did anything wrong to get where we are now. The BRPD is merely supposed to arrest people based upon the complaints of others. Lowery and his paramour complained. The police arrested. That's what the police are supposed to do. That's the prudent thing to do.

I acknowledge that the BRPD took a long time and a lot of airtime to do a limited duty. However, all of their investigation for physical evidence came up completely empty handed. Ultimately, they ended up processing Johns and Jefferson based upon the initial statements of Lowery and his paramour.

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Even so, it still seems like if JJ had some kind of involvement in the fight, or else the behavior of Miles and the rest of the team really doesn't seem to make much sense to me.

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Miles has to suspend someone if they are arrested for a felony. There is nearly universal agreement on Miles' decision to suspend Johns and Jefferson. I think Miles himself would be shocked and a little pissed off he thought that people interpreted his decision to suspend as meaning that he thought Johns and Jefferson were guilty.

Moreover, your belief that Miles' decision to suspend means that he believes they are guilty really puts Miles in a box the next time someone gets arrested. He can't base his decision to suspend on people's perception of what Miles' believes to be the culpability of the player. What if he doesn't know all of the facts? What if he misinterprets the the facts he gets? How likely is it that a player will tell him the truth?

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Grand Jury proceedings are just a hearing and not a trial. And even if anyone gives false information at these hearings it would never come out since it is all done in secretly and not in an open forum like a trial.

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They will be under oath for the hearing. If they lie, they will perjure themselves.

I don't have any such lnk. But for about 10 days the only testimony that seemed to come out was pro-victim.
With all the coverage and press conferences, I would think if a gang of players had stepped up, it would have gotten some attention.

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TEAM SWEEP.....ASSEMBLE!!!!!

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Are we gonna start this shite again?!?!
Dick move.... and I don't want to hear about how it was only a joke. That stupid shite lowered the average IQ of the rant (that seems funny in words)by at least 10 points and was one of the darkest times in rant history. Can you just LET IT GO? I know, I know... you had a cool picture and wanted to share... Aren't you late for second period?

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What judge? There is no judge at grand jury hearings.

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Still under oath, no?

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Are we gonna start thisshit again?!?!
Dick move.... and I don't want to hear about how it wasonlya joke. That stupid shite lowered the average IQ of the rant (that seems funny in words)by at least 10 points and was one of the darkest times in rant history. Can you just LET IT GO? I know, I know... you had a cool picture and wanted to share... Aren't you late for second period?

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Team Sweep got u mad brah?


















Yeah.......... Team Sweep got u mad.