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re: Jones Will Win at LSU
Posted on 4/15/12 at 6:21 am to LockdownDefense
Posted on 4/15/12 at 6:21 am to LockdownDefense
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his job is secured by dale fricken brown. this is making me hate LSU. to think of how cronyism is at such a level here is sickening.
I doubt that it is, but if he can do what Dale did, I will be very happy.
you obviously have not paid attention to Dale's performance....
The Lester thing (setup), did him in.
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Posted on 4/15/12 at 6:28 am to drizztiger
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We could've and should've insisted on a homerun hire
There is never such a thing....it may turn out that way, but never a sure thing.
All products and even coaches have 4 stages of performance:
Intro - Growth - Maturity - Decline.
The problem is that when you hire someone whom you deem "sure thing", you never know how close he is to ending his maturity stage and going into the decline phase....while you are left with a big contract.
EACH and everyone of those you would name a "sure hire", were doubtful at some point.
I think JJ is in the end of the growth stage / early maturity stage and that makes him a great hire. As all else, time will tell.
Posted on 4/15/12 at 7:57 am to rbdallas
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There is never such a thing....it may turn out that way, but never a sure thing.
John Calipari, Coach K, Jamie Dixon, Rick Pitino, Roy Williams, Shaka Smart, etc etc
All of these have a body of work that clearly indicate a "sure thing" or at least a very good bet.
Nothing about Johnny indicates a championship coach.
It's absolutely wonderful that he loves LSU, so do I. That doesn't make me or him a great coach. I like his personality, he's a genuine nice guy, but that doesn't make him a great coach, in itself.
The man's past performance indicates his future results, and his resume doesn't scream "CHAMPION"..
Am I "behind him? yea, I am. Do I know what to look forward to? Absolutely.
Posted on 4/15/12 at 8:11 am to c on z
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As a fan who have been to more basketball games than football games this is an underwhelming hire. Sorry if that pisses you off.
No need to apologize, I am not pissed off at all. I just wanted to give the F-tards a chance to identify themselves and it seems to have worked...
Posted on 4/15/12 at 8:40 am to OldTiger
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I just wanted to give the F-tards a chance to identify themselves and it seems to have worked...
Well thanks for making yourself obvious
Posted on 4/15/12 at 8:46 am to LockdownDefense
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John Calipari, Coach K, Jamie Dixon, Rick Pitino, Roy Williams, Shaka Smart, etc etc All of these have a body of work that clearly indicate a "sure thing" or at least a very good bet.
First of all, there is no guarantee that any of those still would succeed. I may agree that they may be more likely to succeed than fail, but no guarantee. Your logic also fails in that it places names in the PROSPECT list and would not even be close to coming to LSU.
Reality is absent from your list.
Posted on 4/15/12 at 8:58 am to LockdownDefense
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this is making me hate LSU. to think of how cronyism is at such a level here is sickening.
Don't let the door hit ya!
I"ll stick by the thought that none of the premier coaches were going to come for less than astronomical dollar figures. Can't say I'm thrilled with Johnny Jones vs. some of the names thrown out there earlier but I also understand where the program is at this current time. 5 open scholarships, after the first signing date no decent recruits considering, 1 player leaving early to play Euro league, 2 freshman rumored to be considering a transfer, no consistency for 25 years, an old stadium albeit somewhat rebuilt, football school, poor recruiting base etc etc. It's a hard sale unless you throw Kentucky type money at the coach and with that kind of money it will lose money.
This post was edited on 4/15/12 at 9:04 am
Posted on 4/15/12 at 9:00 am to LockdownDefense
quote:You just won the most out of touch with reality award for this coaching search and result thread. If you believe even for a mili-second that LSU had a chance at any of these names, even offering them ten million or more, then you are severely demented. Almost all of them are older men who are not looking to change and either already have their dream job or one that is very successful and pays well. The couple that aren't in this category made it clear they weren't interested. Just because LSU has had national success in football the past ten years and in basketball 20 to 30 years ago does not mean that we are anywhere near an elite school that coaches just can't wait to come to. And believe it or not some put success and job security ahead of money.
John Calipari, Coach K, Jamie Dixon, Rick Pitino, Roy Williams, Shaka Smart, etc etc
All of these have a body of work that clearly indicate a "sure thing" or at least a very good bet.
This post was edited on 4/15/12 at 9:06 am
Posted on 4/15/12 at 9:03 am to rbdallas
All this bull shite from a Moo. State fan? Please 
Posted on 4/15/12 at 11:28 am to rbdallas
You stated that nobody is a sure thing. I gave you an unfinished list of several coaches that have "winning" on their resume at every level.
This is LSU. We should't settle for an ex assistant with an average record just because "he loves LSU"
you wait it out an take your time and find a sure thing coach. you make it frickin happen.
Dale Brown hired JJ basically.
So, the "getting worse" part of this is that we'll still be what we've always been in basketball until maybe the next go round, i hate to say it. Since JJ has a secure job, secured by the cronyism that got him there, he'll be here long past a typical 4 year trial time.
4 more years of my short life watching my beloved basketball team get beat routinely by Kentucky is not what I had in mind.
This is LSU. We should't settle for an ex assistant with an average record just because "he loves LSU"
you wait it out an take your time and find a sure thing coach. you make it frickin happen.
Dale Brown hired JJ basically.
So, the "getting worse" part of this is that we'll still be what we've always been in basketball until maybe the next go round, i hate to say it. Since JJ has a secure job, secured by the cronyism that got him there, he'll be here long past a typical 4 year trial time.
4 more years of my short life watching my beloved basketball team get beat routinely by Kentucky is not what I had in mind.
This post was edited on 4/15/12 at 11:29 am
Posted on 4/15/12 at 11:36 am to LockdownDefense
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this is making me hate LSU.
No one is forcing you to be an LSU fan ... I'm pretty sure no one will miss you if you find a new school to support.
Posted on 4/15/12 at 11:41 am to LockdownDefense
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This is LSU. We should't settle for an ex assistant with an average record just because "he loves LSU"
you wait it out an take your time and find a sure thing coach. you make it frickin happen.
Who could we get? Who could we get that we didnt make a run for thats more of a "sure thing" than Jones is?
Jones wasnt my perfect candidate either but its not like there were any of "sure things" that would have come here.
Also any time spent searching is time wasted recruiting. Anytime wasted recruiting makes this rebuilding process one year longer.
Posted on 4/15/12 at 11:59 am to 1984Tiger
Ok, amd no one is forcing you to accept mediocrity for LSU but youre doing it anyway. Why dont you go pull for a school that is mediocre to average at everything?
I think Mississippi St has the room for you
I think Mississippi St has the room for you
Posted on 4/15/12 at 12:03 pm to Adam Banks
Who knows?
YOU MAKE IT HAPPEN.
Bama made saban happen
Kentucky made calipari happen
UNC made roy williams happen..
When you want it bad enough you make it happen.
follow dale brown's example, he wanted this BAD, he made it happen
YOU MAKE IT HAPPEN.
Bama made saban happen
Kentucky made calipari happen
UNC made roy williams happen..
When you want it bad enough you make it happen.
follow dale brown's example, he wanted this BAD, he made it happen
This post was edited on 4/15/12 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 4/15/12 at 12:06 pm to LockdownDefense
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Who knows?
YOU MAKE IT HAPPEN.
Bama made saban happen
Kentucky made calipari happen
UNC made roy williams happen..
When you want it bad enough you make it happen.
1. Bama was in a unique circumstance where Saban was failing in the NFL and wanted to come back to college. They were the only big time job open that year.
2. We aint Kentucky
3. Roy Williams is a UNC alum. He was also an assistant at UNC. That is the only reason that he left KU.
This post was edited on 4/15/12 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 4/15/12 at 12:20 pm to Adam Banks
Schools with deep pockets that want to win make it happen. There's no reason to settle for Johnny Jones in 6 days. Recruiting was virtually over for this class. Next year the coach will of course get the benefit of "oh, well it's just his first year to turn it around, give him time"
Any coach would've gotten that ticket to lose a lot next season.
We couldv'e taken our time and made a better hire. They were out there, but we don't know what was said between Alleva or who all he interviewed. OR, if the interviews were bullshite that were never serious to start with.
Any coach would've gotten that ticket to lose a lot next season.
We couldv'e taken our time and made a better hire. They were out there, but we don't know what was said between Alleva or who all he interviewed. OR, if the interviews were bullshite that were never serious to start with.
This post was edited on 4/15/12 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 4/15/12 at 12:20 pm to Adam Banks
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you wait it out an take your time and find a sure thing coach. you make it frickin happen
This proves what a tard you are! We have 5 scholarships to fill and time was essential with this hire.
Posted on 4/15/12 at 12:24 pm to shady4
and we already had average kids that wanted to play here i'm sure.
so it makes virtually 0 (zero) difference either way this late in the signing period. Why settle?
so it makes virtually 0 (zero) difference either way this late in the signing period. Why settle?
This post was edited on 4/15/12 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 4/15/12 at 12:28 pm to rbdallas
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PROSPECT list and would not even be close to coming to LSU.
So many of you say LSU isn't good enough to attract a good coach, then say JJ is a good coach.
Then accuse those that demand the best for LSU of beinga NEGATIGER.
I accuse you of calling LSU not worthy of competing with the best. All of you should go watch CT's second rate AAU club.
Posted on 4/15/12 at 12:29 pm to LockdownDefense
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Recruiting was virtually over for this class
Its nowhere close to being over
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Schools with deep pockets that want to win make it happen.
Since you are talking about "proven" coaches the overwhelming majority of "proven" coaches are at schools that have just as deep pockets as we do (Dixon and Drew). The exception is Smart who just turned down over a million dollar raise to go to a school that is roughly equilavent to us history wise, puts more emphasis on basketball, and has a hotbed for talent right next to it (chicago) in Illinois.
Anyone else was an up and comer, non proven guy.
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