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re: Johnny Dishon was drafted in 42nd round by the Brewers

Posted on 6/9/10 at 5:15 pm to
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 6/9/10 at 5:15 pm to
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but you seem more concerned with shitting on a player on the team you're supposed to like


Now you're just getting ignorant. I didn't shite on Dishon. I think he is a talented outfielder and I hope he comes back. The only thing I shite on is the notion that he is a 5 tool player, and then your subsequent attempts to prove the same.
Posted by LSUfroshy19
Member since Oct 2004
521 posts
Posted on 6/9/10 at 5:15 pm to
I also have to disagree with him being a 5 tool player, he can't hit an off speed pitch much less hit for average. Not saying he won't eventually but saying he is 5 tool now is excessive
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
31018 posts
Posted on 6/9/10 at 5:18 pm to
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on the power tool? are you out of your fricking mind? that's the only tool guadet has


There you go again, clearly talking about production and not projection even though you mentioned it the other way around in your first response. Are you seriously trying to tell me Gaudet projects with plus power in professional baseball? GTFO.

Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
73540 posts
Posted on 6/9/10 at 5:20 pm to
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Are you seriously trying to tell me Gaudet projects with plus power in professional baseball

yeah his 19 homeruns in ~60 games projects terribly as far as power is concerned. you're right
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
31018 posts
Posted on 6/9/10 at 5:25 pm to
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yeah his 19 homeruns in ~60 games projects terribly as far as power is concerned


No, his long slow swing projects terribly. And once again....posted by you at 2:55 pm

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potential and ability are not the same thing as production


It's like you are arguing with yourself
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
73540 posts
Posted on 6/9/10 at 5:28 pm to
not really. long slow swing projects poorly as the tool for hitting for average, not power smart guy. guadet has proven he has the ability to hit for power. it's like you're creating moronic claims and then trying to argue your way out of them. the fact his swing is long has zero effect on how far the ball will go if he makes contact. his tape measure shots show how far he can hit the ball, and that's what the power tool represents, not how much someone strikes out
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
31018 posts
Posted on 6/9/10 at 5:43 pm to
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his tape measure shots show how far he can hit the ball, and that's what the power tool represents


Ummm.....no. It doesn't. Sorry. You're only digging yourself deeper here.

Matt Gaudet projects to have plus power in pro ball but he doesn't get selected in a 1500+ pick draft because....? I guess no one values plus power right?
This post was edited on 6/9/10 at 5:46 pm
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
73540 posts
Posted on 6/9/10 at 5:48 pm to
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Matt Gaudet projects to have plus power in pro ball but he doesn't get selected in a 1500+ pick draft because....? I guess no one values plus power right?

no, he is slow, can't play the field, can't hit for average, and strikes out all the time. no one is gonna take someone like that, regardless of how much power they have.
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
31018 posts
Posted on 6/9/10 at 5:58 pm to
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no one is gonna take someone like that, regardless of how much power they have.


Yeah, professional baseball doesn't value plus power enough to draft it in spite of other deficiencies. But they'll waste a late draft pick on guys like Mike Vick just for the hell of it. Makes sense.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
73540 posts
Posted on 6/9/10 at 6:03 pm to
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Yeah, professional baseball doesn't value plus power enough to draft it in spite of other deficiencies. But they'll waste a late draft pick on guys like Mike Vick just for the hell of it. Makes sense.

wasting a pick on mike vick doesn't make sense, ever. at the time, he was one of the highest paid players in the league, so picking him was a joke. your argument is fading my man. guadet is a good power hitter and that's it. he'd never make contact enough to ever hit homeruns, so his power wouldn't matter at the next level because he wouldn't hit enough for it to make a difference. add to that he can;t play anywhere on the field well and is slow as hell. would you draft that even with power? i wouldn't
This post was edited on 6/9/10 at 6:04 pm
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
31018 posts
Posted on 6/9/10 at 6:13 pm to
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your argument is fading my man


No, you are making my argument stronger every time you reply, and basically you just ended it:

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he'd never make contact enough to ever hit homeruns, so his power wouldn't matter at the next level because he wouldn't hit enough for it to make a difference


Plus power, power tool, how ever you want to say it...means you actually have the ability to do it! You don't have plus power if you never hit HRs. You have finally figured it out.

Just to drive home my point a little more....

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wasting a pick on mike vick doesn't make sense, ever. at the time, he was one of the highest paid players in the league, so picking him was a joke.


You are right. It was a joke and it was probably done just for the publicity. The fact that they were willing to just throw away a pick proves that those last picks aren't important. Why then would someone not take a chance on a guy with a legit professional tool, especially if that tool is power, just because he can't do anything else? Hint: It is because it isn't legit.
This post was edited on 6/9/10 at 6:25 pm
Posted by Louie T
Member since Dec 2006
36725 posts
Posted on 6/9/10 at 6:27 pm to
Dishon isn't a 5 tool player. 5 tool players is used too often; they are very rare.
Posted by cord1321
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2006
2115 posts
Posted on 6/9/10 at 6:46 pm to
Anybody that knows baseball knows what everyone looks at, and that is what a play projects to be. Johnny D is projected to be a five tool player. He has the ability to be great, will he? well thats up to him and how hard he works for it. Best of luck Johnny D.
Posted by Jeeves
Member since Apr 2010
2080 posts
Posted on 6/9/10 at 6:53 pm to
Dishon really isn't even that great of a fielder.
Posted by Louie T
Member since Dec 2006
36725 posts
Posted on 6/9/10 at 6:56 pm to
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Johnny D is projected to be a five tool player.
No, he's not.
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He has the ability to be great, will he?
Tons of guys have the potential to be great; doesn't necessarily mean they are 5 tool players.
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
31018 posts
Posted on 6/9/10 at 6:58 pm to
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Tons of guys have the potential to be great; doesn't necessarily mean they are 5 tool players.


Apparently this is a difficult concept to grasp.
Posted by dghere
Prairieville
Member since May 2005
191 posts
Posted on 6/9/10 at 7:08 pm to
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I don't disagree that the guy has some talent and it isn't surprising that he got drafted. I'm only disagreeing with the 5 tool term. Like I said, I think it is thrown around too often.


Normally I would advise Johhny to go ahead and get a real job and salary to raise his child but after Shane Youman pitched in the bigs I quit judging talent.
Posted by Sports2
w/friends like u, who needs friends
Member since Jul 2005
3724 posts
Posted on 6/15/10 at 5:43 pm to
Dishon signed with the brewers on Sunday. Didn't see it anywhere else.
Posted by GoldenBoy
Winning!
Member since Nov 2004
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Posted on 6/15/10 at 5:48 pm to
His bonus must have been huge!
Posted by Elleshoe
Wade’s World
Member since Jun 2004
143780 posts
Posted on 6/15/10 at 6:12 pm to
kid has a better shot at starting in the minors than at LSU
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