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re: Joel Klatt on Brian Kelly
Posted on 10/23/25 at 3:54 pm to AlwysATgr
Posted on 10/23/25 at 3:54 pm to AlwysATgr
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ND wasn't holding BK back; BK was holding ND back.
Not true. After Kelly left, ND laxed their admission standards that were part of the reason they couldn't get top recruiting classes. Also, when Kelly left, they formed up a collective to start competing in NIL because they were pissed. Brady Quinn confirmed this last year.
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Freeman's first 4 years of recruiting are half a star better than BK's last four yrs of recruiting there.
This is what happens when the admissions aren't as strict.
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Maybe BK isn't a national championship type coach.
No one is until they are. As of now, he is not and it doesn't appear to be changing this year.
He quotes one LSU fan as summarizing the problem as: "We went out and got Brian Kelly and we're getting Brian Kelly."
We hired the cfb coach with the 2nd highest winning percentage to flip a program that was in free fall. Kelly did that. Now he is learning, on the fly, how to navigate building/managing a program in the NIL era. It makes a huge difference on how you build and train a roster. For example, ND has really good OL play under Kelly and a big reason was that he played upperclassmen who had been in the system for a couple years. With NIL, no one stays a couple years at a program, so you don't get the years of development in the system. I'm not trying to sound like a Kelly apologist, but we need to be honest about his time here. If Miles and Coach O had to deal with this NIL world we currently are in, both would've been fired sooner than they were.
All that said, we have underperformed expectations this year so far, so everyone has the right to be frustrated, especially when you see the product on the field for LSU vs. the other good teams in the SEC.
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Posted on 10/23/25 at 4:35 pm to AlwysATgr
I’d take Freeman All Day, Every Day over Kelly right now. Anyone who wouldn’t is a damn fool.
Posted on 10/23/25 at 9:37 pm to MrJimBeam
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How many wins vs Top 10?
Around 3
This post was edited on 10/23/25 at 9:39 pm
Posted on 10/23/25 at 9:38 pm to AlwysATgr
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"We went out and got Brian Kelly and we're getting Brian Kelly."
This quote nails it.
Posted on 10/23/25 at 9:42 pm to Kool Kaliper
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Kool Kaliper
You really just can’t help yourself, can you?
Posted on 10/23/25 at 9:48 pm to AlwysATgr
Klatt picked LSU to beat Vanderbilt Last week. Enough said
Posted on 10/23/25 at 9:54 pm to Kool Kaliper
Thanks, your whinny drivel about how hard it is for a minority Coach at Notre Dame almost made me like Brian Kelly again!
Then I realized he still sucks and so does Freeman!
Then I realized he still sucks and so does Freeman!
Posted on 10/24/25 at 12:57 am to cattus
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Wasnt Notre Dame a top 5 team when he left them. Of course you're going to get better recruits when you're a better team and I think academic standards were lowered after he left. ALSO with NIL it's different.
There was no NIL/portal while BK was at ND. Now most of the teams ND would be expected to compete with for recruits have some measure of NIL in place.
And somewhat parenthetically, that this is a new era of CFB, it neutralizes a lot of BK's experience which further sheds light on the stupidity of the contract he was given. He has no more experience in this era than anyone else.
And typically when a coach is "successful" for a prolonged period, players want to play for that coach. That should've been an advantage BK had at ND that his successor does not.
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Maybe but no coaches seem like they are until they win one.
Most coaches haven't accrued 30+ years of HC'ing experience either to show how capable they are. BK has.
And guess what awaits us in Y7?
Posted on 10/24/25 at 8:45 am to Tigris Christi
Okay
Posted on 10/24/25 at 9:08 am to Tammany Tom
Freeman has done nothing to make anybody say they would take him over Kelly all day everyday. He inherited a program in better shape than Kelly (LSU or Notre Dame) did and got there in a much more favorable environment (NIL, Portal, less admission barriers) and has done what with it? Took a team that was 11-1 before him and went 9-4 and 10-3 his first 2 seasons. He will lose at least 3 games this year too as there is zero chance they run the table all year. Got to a title game last year with a path that was so laughably bad that it started conversations on fixing the bracket issues. Then immediately lost the first 2 games of the next season. Kelly has done that much and more in his career, I'd say much more. I'm not happy with Kelly and if we go 8-4 or 7-5 I think we should look elsewhere. That doesn't mean Freeman is better than Kelly and the rise in Freeman's status last year was artificial and short sighted. People wanted it to be so and didn't care about context or reality.
This post was edited on 10/24/25 at 9:13 am
Posted on 10/24/25 at 9:23 am to AlwysATgr
What is absurd is a player can get benched at any moment. They can lose their scholarship if they don't perform. A coach, when they show a lack of ability to do their job, you are stuck with them because of their contract. I was pleased with the BK hire on the front end, but I have never liked him. Seems like an A-hole and just not much likeable about the guy in general. The problem with him, Les, Jimbo, and any other coach is their contracts. They get paid regardless, but they aren't held to the same standard as their players.
I'm not sure if Louisiana doesn't need to adopt what Mississippi had at one point, which is no state employees contract can last more than 4 years. There has to be some way to navigate this moving forward. No coach lasts 10 years unless they are amazingly successful, but that is super rare. I also understand the cubbard was bare when CBK came in, but with the portal and NIL (for those who are good at working them) it doesn't take 4-5 years to rebuild anymore.
I'm not sure if Louisiana doesn't need to adopt what Mississippi had at one point, which is no state employees contract can last more than 4 years. There has to be some way to navigate this moving forward. No coach lasts 10 years unless they are amazingly successful, but that is super rare. I also understand the cubbard was bare when CBK came in, but with the portal and NIL (for those who are good at working them) it doesn't take 4-5 years to rebuild anymore.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 9:40 am to Kool Kaliper
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was the coach, whereas Freeman managed to out-physically dominate Georgia. A minority coach at Notre Dame is not easy, and to say he was left a silver platter shows ignorance. On his worse day he has to be better than his peers, Freeman can't afford to have an annual three-game losing streak like BK, it's no "next year" for a minority coach.
Low IQ statements plus the race card.
Wow.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 9:42 am to Tammany Tom
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I’d take Freeman All Day, Every Day over Kelly right now. Anyone who wouldn’t is a damn fool.
Why?
Posted on 10/24/25 at 9:55 am to AlwysATgr
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I don't know enough about him to dislike him, but his comparison to ND w/ Freeman is pretty objective. No?
I agree with a lot of what he said, but this part lacks any analytic ability. It is disingenuous to say that Freeman on his own made ND better. Once Kelly left, the school also changed their approach whether it was admissions requirements, resources and plenty more that they refused to do for Kelly.
Freeman is the benefactor and as usual has used an easy schedule with many schools down to boost his resume.
He really has not improved ND.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 9:59 am to SidewalkTiger
Yall really dumb but carry on.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 10:07 am to OzChuffnugg
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"We went out and got Brian Kelly and we're getting Brian Kelly."
Damn. This hits hard
Posted on 10/24/25 at 10:24 am to Kool Kaliper
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Yall really dumb but carry on.
Honestly, with some of the retarded shite you just said, I'm glad you think so.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 10:34 am to SidewalkTiger
It must be some truth, you and the other followers keep commenting.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 10:36 am to Kool Kaliper
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It must be some truth, you and the other followers keep commenting.
If I created a thread that said "BK will win the natty this year" right now, it'd get a ton of responses.
By your logic, that'd mean there was some truth in that statement.
Posted on 10/24/25 at 10:37 am to SidewalkTiger
Thanks for the follow.
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