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re: Jerry Sullivan on why Ensminger went max protect instead of spreading it out
Posted on 1/10/19 at 12:47 pm to bencoleman
Posted on 1/10/19 at 12:47 pm to bencoleman
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Posted on 1/10/19 at 12:48 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Thank you.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 12:48 pm to TrevRollings29
I guess Dabo doesn’t know what he’s doing then.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 12:49 pm to RogerTheShrubber
We spend a lot of our time in 11 with 3 WR
More than I realized (At least in games we played well in)
But not all 11 personel formations are the same, and we did a lot of stuff with WR pretty close to the OL.
I never Liked brining in a WR as an extra blocker. Les would do it too, and I think it just adds 2 more bodies to the box
More than I realized (At least in games we played well in)
But not all 11 personel formations are the same, and we did a lot of stuff with WR pretty close to the OL.
I never Liked brining in a WR as an extra blocker. Les would do it too, and I think it just adds 2 more bodies to the box
Posted on 1/10/19 at 12:50 pm to bencoleman
Yeah, listen and see what you get out of it. He was careful to avoid directly answering many questions.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 12:52 pm to SammyTiger
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I never Liked brining in a WR as an extra blocker. Les would do it too, and I think it just adds 2 more bodies to the box
I agree.
Listening to Sullivan it sounds like he's evaluating college kids with an NFL standard. You don't need immediate NFL abilities to perform well in college.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 1:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Seems like hes thinking there was a big lack of consistency which was frustrating.
Bc they had no offensive identity, struggled with in game adjustments, tried to be a Swiss Army knife on offense and Didn't know whether to shite or go blind.
Listening to all the coaches about the direction of the offense, it doesn't take 40 years of coaching experience to realize it was a massive cluster fk.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 1:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I just listened to it and what stood out to me that kept coming up was protection issues. He mentioned a couple of guys off of the line that did good that would continue to be good but it was who he didn't mention that told the tale.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 1:13 pm to bstew3006
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to realize it was a massive cluster fk.
Y'all are just so dramatic.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 1:17 pm to bencoleman
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I just listened to it and what stood out to me that kept coming up was protection issues. He mentioned a couple of guys off of the line that did good that would continue to be good but it was who he didn't mention that told the tale.
He danced around the line a lot. You know he had more to say.
But I didn't hear any definite reason why he thought we went "max protect" instead of spreading it out
Posted on 1/10/19 at 1:19 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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But I didn't hear any definite reason why he thought we went "max protect" instead of spreading it out
I would imagine it had to do with not being able to stop other teams pass rush.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 1:22 pm to The Pirate King
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We got a ton of big plays off of PA this year even with Brossette and CEH back there.
Mediocre pass protection and we're running 5 and 7 step PA passes.
It's the definition of insanity.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 1:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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are just so dramatic.
Calling a turd a turd is not being dramatic.
Once again, listening to all the coaches, there was no clear direction or identity and was evident throughout the year. That is a cluster Fk!
If you want to put in more friendly terms, be my guest.
This post was edited on 1/10/19 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 1/10/19 at 1:27 pm to bstew3006
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Calling a turd a turd is not being dramatic.
You were being dramatic
Posted on 1/10/19 at 1:27 pm to bencoleman
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I would imagine it had to do with not being able to stop other teams pass rush.
You know what stops pass rushes?
Screens. 4 and 5 WRs with quicker developing plays do too.
You know what doesn't stop pass rushes?
Mac protection with 7-8 guys blocking + Burrow. Let me tell you why - I can cover 2-3 WRs with 2-4 defenders and still send more than you can block.
With a pass protection that struggled, would you rather 5 guys keep 6 defenders away for 1.5 seconds or 7 guys keep 8 defenders away for 2.5 seconds?
Posted on 1/10/19 at 1:27 pm to TrevRollings29
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jerry: again that's up steve.. the coaches there.. it always sounds good... say hey spread em out... depends on how good your personel are and you still have to protect.. its great to get 5 guys out... but its not a great playaction game in the spread game adn we like our running game is pretty effficent and thats where you get a lot of your big plays is playaction and thats what they have at the rams ... if you took gurley out and put a pedestrian running back in there ..(something about they wouldn't do nearly as well).. and if you look at them they aren't a spread team they are a conventional team.... you see that with sean peyton they bring em in and run playaction out of that...again you look at the teams and im talking about the teams in the nfl and look at the teams that are throwing the ball well they all have decent running game and they arent spread out got a few things wrong he said he was a fan of mcveigh at the rams and thast what they do...
He said you still have to protect, meaning you need somewhat competent blocking, but I did not see any mention of running MAX protect instead of spread. Looks like they wanted to spread when feasible, but their personnel didn't always give them that opportunity based on ability and opponent.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 1:30 pm to slackster
Quick while you have all of this football knowledge run down to the football operations building and tell them this hot take so they can implement the slackster offense over the offseason. You need to tell them now so they will have time.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 1:34 pm to BayouCowboy
The issue I see Is that we didn’t really have a conpetwbt running game.
We averaged like 4.01 yards a carry. Which is pretty terrible. We were still 26th in carries in the country.
ita Crazy to compare us running PA to the Rams or the Saints.
We averaged like 4.01 yards a carry. Which is pretty terrible. We were still 26th in carries in the country.
ita Crazy to compare us running PA to the Rams or the Saints.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 1:36 pm to slackster
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You know what stops pass rushes?
Screens. 4 and 5 WRs with quicker developing plays do too.
You know what doesn't stop pass rushes?
Mac protection with 7-8 guys blocking + Burrow. Let me tell you why - I can cover 2-3 WRs with 2-4 defenders and still send more than you can block.
With a pass protection that struggled, would you rather 5 guys keep 6 defenders away for 1.5 seconds or 7 guys keep 8 defenders away for 2.5 seconds?
This.....all of this.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 1:36 pm to bstew3006
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Bc they had no offensive identity, struggled with in game adjustments, tried to be a Swiss Army knife on offense
I think the OP was a distortion of what Sullivan said, but I do agree with your assessment. I don't think the offensive staff ever felt confident enough in a style of offense to run it consistently and effectively. This likely added to some of the issues SE stated with audibles and players not being able to adjust.
To Miles' credit he was able to establish an identity and perfect it (power run game). His downfall was not being able to modify and adjust vs opponents that could effectively counter his strength.
It does no good to be multiple if you do multiple formations average or below.
This post was edited on 1/10/19 at 1:38 pm
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