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re: Jerry Sullivan on why Ensminger went max protect instead of spreading it out
Posted on 1/10/19 at 11:58 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 1/10/19 at 11:58 am to RogerTheShrubber
tbob (paraphrasing): sometimes keeping people in, limiting options seems like it was having a negative affect - should do opposite am i off base here, do u think lsu moves in that direction next year
jerry: again that's up steve.. the coaches there.. it always sounds good... say hey spread em out... depends on how good your personel are and you still have to protect.. its great to get 5 guys out... but its not a great playaction game in the spread game adn we like our running game is pretty effficent and thats where you get a lot of your big plays is playaction and thats what they have at the rams ... if you took gurley out and put a pedestrian running back in there ..(something about they wouldn't do nearly as well).. and if you look at them they aren't a spread team they are a conventional team.... you see that with sean peyton they bring em in and run playaction out of that...again you look at the teams and im talking about the teams in the nfl and look at the teams that are throwing the ball well they all have decent running game and they arent spread out
got a few things wrong he said he was a fan of mcveigh at the rams and thast what they do...
LINK
jerry: again that's up steve.. the coaches there.. it always sounds good... say hey spread em out... depends on how good your personel are and you still have to protect.. its great to get 5 guys out... but its not a great playaction game in the spread game adn we like our running game is pretty effficent and thats where you get a lot of your big plays is playaction and thats what they have at the rams ... if you took gurley out and put a pedestrian running back in there ..(something about they wouldn't do nearly as well).. and if you look at them they aren't a spread team they are a conventional team.... you see that with sean peyton they bring em in and run playaction out of that...again you look at the teams and im talking about the teams in the nfl and look at the teams that are throwing the ball well they all have decent running game and they arent spread out
got a few things wrong he said he was a fan of mcveigh at the rams and thast what they do...
LINK
This post was edited on 1/10/19 at 12:01 pm
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Posted on 1/10/19 at 11:58 am to TrevRollings29
Is there a link to this?
Posted on 1/10/19 at 11:58 am to TrevRollings29
They wanted to pound teams into oblivion with the running game then run playaction when teams loaded the box up. Without Fournette or Guice and without terrific runblocking that gets muddled up quickly though
Posted on 1/10/19 at 12:17 pm to The Pirate King
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Actually he said that the Rams use this philosophy with Gurley, you know the team they studied in the offseason, but please, continue bashing a retired guy for no reason.
This tells me that you watch games & do not understand what the frick you are even looking at. The Rams ONLY max protect when they near midfield & they trying to take a shot deep. It's an old Don "Air" Coryell concept. Other than that, they use hot routes & sight adjustments by Goff & receivers depending on the opposing coverage or Goff checks it down to Todd Gurley out of the backfield in the flats.
Back to Air Coryell for a minute. Do you know what former LSU OC based his philosophy off of Coryell's concepts? Cam Cameron. I've seen posts indicating that offense changed this season because of the amount of 3 WR sets that were used & that is grossly incorrect. All Ensminger did was replace one of the TEs in a 2 TE set with a WR. Then instead of being lined up tight, the WR was flexed out in the slot. He also lined up Burrow out of the pistol instead of being under center more. People don't seem to under that a difference in formation doesn't mean a new philosophy or a change in concepts. The 2018 LSU offense ran the same concepts as they did under Cam Cameron. There was no change. Anyone who has studied the game or played the game knows this.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 12:23 pm to TrevRollings29
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got a few things wrong
I don't think it's all wrong, but after listening to that part I think your overstating what he said, in context.
What I took away:
-He sounded a bit frustrated
-Said you run what you have the personnel to run, and he didn't feel the personnel were totally in sync to run a real spread.
-Says the passing game improved throughout the season and WRs improved as did Burrow. Passing game was inconsistent though.
-Not sure what LSU will run next year ,but it depends a lot on personnel. I'm taking that as offensive line, he danced around that issue a couple of times.
-He personally likes what McVey is doing in LA.
Just reading between the lines he believes Ensminger will incorporate spread concepts or a hybrid and it didn't sound like he's a big fan.
-Said no longer ne expected Brosette to have the year he had, I agree. It wasn't explosive, but he did have some good games.
He did say they wanted a lot of play action, establish the run. He sounded a bit disappointed to me.
-Seems like hes thinking there was a big lack of consistency which was frustrating.
This post was edited on 1/10/19 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 1/10/19 at 12:26 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Said you run what you have the personnel to run, and he didn't feel the personnel were totally in sync to run a real spread.
What does this even mean? What personnel were we missing? We had a grad transfer QB that was developed under one of the best spread QB coaches in the game, a grad transfer WR that thrived in the spread offense, and a bunch of young talented WRs. It seems we were well equipped to implement some spread concepts into our offense.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 12:32 pm to UpToPar
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had a grad transfer QB that was developed under one of the best spread QB coaches in the game,
He said Joe was inconsistent and related it to his short time here and lack of game experience. He also mentioned WRs being young and relatively inexperienced early. Mentioned Chase as someone who really improved.
You can listen for yourself if you disagree. Not gonna do all your work for you.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 12:34 pm to TrevRollings29
Told y’all.
Ensminger is gonna go pro.
Ensminger is gonna go pro.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 12:34 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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He said Joe was inconsistent and related it to his short time here and lack of game experience. He also mentioned WRs being young and relatively inexperienced early. Mentioned Chase as someone who really improved.
You can listen for yourself if you disagree. Not gonna do all your work for you.
His frustration was the fact that tbob questioned him not attempting a more modern approach to avoiding pressure and nearly his entire response was a laundry list of what I would call excuses defending their decision to go max protect.
I didn't notice at any time where he seemed like he thought Steve would change that philosophy in the future.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 12:35 pm to UpToPar
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What personnel were we missing?
Offensive tackles would've been helpful. Better running back play would've been helpful.
Healthy tight ends would've been helpful.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 12:35 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Okay, but in your opinion, what personnel were we missing that prevented us from running spread concepts?
Posted on 1/10/19 at 12:36 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You can listen for yourself if you disagree. Not gonna do all your work for you
Link please
Posted on 1/10/19 at 12:36 pm to UpToPar
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Okay, but in your opinion, what personnel were we missing that prevented us from running spread concepts?
I'm not sure any were missing.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 12:37 pm to bencoleman
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Offensive tackles would've been helpful. Better running back play would've been helpful.
Healthy tight ends would've been helpful.
For prostyle, absolutely... which is why he was asked why they didn't go more spread look to mask these things. Which he then defended. Which is very confusing because Ed Orgeron has been telling everyone that we were switching to spread.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 12:37 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I think All that sounds great but did we have the personnel to be a power run based offense?
Posted on 1/10/19 at 12:38 pm to bencoleman
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Offensive tackles would've been helpful.
Right, our OT can't pass block, so instead of spreading the field, lets run our offense through 7 step drop play action passes. Makes sense.
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Better running back play would've been helpful.
Sure, it would have been helpful to our offense in general. But, why did our poor RB play prevent us from running spread concepts?
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Healthy tight ends would've been helpful.
Again, why do we need three healthy TEs to run spread concepts? McMath saw time against Ole Miss and looked great. We never saw him again.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 12:38 pm to bencoleman
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Offensive tackles would've been helpful. Better running back play would've been helpful.
For what we tried to run, absolutely.
OT and RB
Posted on 1/10/19 at 12:39 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I'm not sure any were missing.
I agree, which is why his comment is strange.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 12:45 pm to UpToPar
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I agree, which is why his comment is strange.
I believe he was talking about experience and inconsistency. His opening statement was basically his reasons why they were inconsistent.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 12:46 pm to TrevRollings29
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I didn't notice at any time where he seemed like he thought Steve would change that philosophy in the future.
I did, but took it that Sullivan isn't a fan of it.
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