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re: Jefferson's Smart Decision to throw the ball away (with Pictures)
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:11 pm to LSUPHILLY72
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:11 pm to LSUPHILLY72
bullshite. If he throws this ball early in the progression to the back pylon that is a touchdown or a pass interference call. This has been his MO since he was a freshman...holding the ball too long and not trusting his arm nor the receivers.
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Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:12 pm to WacoTiger
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The problem is that JJ waited to make the throw before RR made his cut.
You are aware that RR's first option was an inside route? RR ran an out after he saw the safety coming as well. Receivers read defenses too.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:12 pm to WacoTiger
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The problem is that JJ waited to make the throw before RR made his cut. If he had made the throw before the cut, like on a fade route, RR would have been the only player that could have caught the ball.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:12 pm to Mahootney
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In before someone says they are simplifying the playbook for JJ. #rantards
which wouldnt be wrong
they had to least say they gave him a chance to throw a TD pass
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:12 pm to LSUPHILLY72
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Why would he check off when the pre-snap read showed man coverage?
Safety took away the inside route, and was not in position to take away the fade route which was the purpose of the play. You can rationalize this all you want to try and prop up JJ, but the coaches screwed up that play and JJ simply didn't make it into a negative play. Good for him.
The difference is, Randle had position on the fade early, and JJ didn't throw it, because he doesn't have that type of touch on those throws, while Lee does.
Coaches need to stick with what each QB's strengths are as passers.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:12 pm to Rouge
I would have liked to see some play-action to Ware. Play-action may have held the safety for another second or two, allowing Randle to make the inside cut or be one-on-one in the corner in stead of covered 'neath and atop.
This is not necessarily a critisism of JJ.
This is not necessarily a critisism of JJ.
This post was edited on 10/11/11 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:13 pm to LSUPHILLY72
i believe i stated this in the earlier thread. thanks for proving me right with pics.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:13 pm to Elleshoe
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you kidding?!
No, look at picture 6. RR is less than 2 yards from the boundary with safety already broken on the play and the ball is still in JJ's hands.
That ball has to be in the air BEFORE RR makes his break as his break is what freezes the safety.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:13 pm to LSUPHILLY72
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You are aware that RR's first option was an inside route?
not with a pre-snap weak side safety. sorry, i think you are wrong on this one.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:14 pm to LSUPHILLY72
I didn't do all of that lol
but I thought it was just a one man rout, he was doubled and he threw it away, just like he should have
Look, IMO many things are being done right now to set other things up down the road- no not a secret playbook, nothing like that but it sure LOOKS like they have a plan for some things
but I thought it was just a one man rout, he was doubled and he threw it away, just like he should have
Look, IMO many things are being done right now to set other things up down the road- no not a secret playbook, nothing like that but it sure LOOKS like they have a plan for some things
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:14 pm to Geaux2002
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Fades have to be quickly thrown, not drop back wait 3 seconds and then throw.
Fades are not the same as an out route. It's easy for a defender to undercut an out route that close to the end zone.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:14 pm to LSUPHILLY72
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The problem is that JJ waited to make the throw before RR made his cut.
You are aware that RR's first option was an inside route? RR ran an out after he saw the safety coming as well. Receivers read defenses too.
Yes, and JJ should have made the same read, making the same pass. Keep spinning though.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:15 pm to Run DMC
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bullshite. If he throws this ball early in the progression to the back pylon that is a touchdown or a pass interference call.
Well then, that means RR fricked up by running an out instead of a fade.
This post was edited on 10/11/11 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:15 pm to LSUPHILLY72
well this ought to bring out some rational, non-rantardastic discussions
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:16 pm to Geaux2002
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Safety took away the inside route, and was not in position to take away the fade route which was the purpose of the play. You can rationalize this all you want to try and prop up JJ, but the coaches screwed up that play and JJ simply didn't make it into a negative play. Good for him.
The difference is, Randle had position on the fade early, and JJ didn't throw it, because he doesn't have that type of touch on those throws, while Lee does.
Coaches need to stick with what each QB's strengths are as passers.
Idiots.
Both the qb and reciever are making reads on the play. The reciever has the option to run the inside or outside. Both JJ and RR saw the same thing RR ran an out which was the only option based on the safety's position and JJ made a good decision by throwing it away.
This post was edited on 10/11/11 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:16 pm to Putty
I think this is a function of the score and the game being late in the third. I think if it were a closer game, you would have seen a more aggressive call. IMO.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:16 pm to junkfunky
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Fades are not the same as an out route. It's easy for a defender to undercut an out route that close to the end zone.
This was a fake cut to the inside, then out to the fade. It's not that hard to understand. JJ was supposed to throw it to the back left Pylon. It's clear from the outside, in real-time and in slow-mo that the in move is to create space when he cuts it to the corner pylon.
Some of you really know very little about football if you can't grasp that.
Do you really think the call on a 1-option pass play was into the middle where they have help?
This post was edited on 10/11/11 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:17 pm to WacoTiger
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The problem is that JJ waited to make the throw before RR made his cut. If he had made the throw before the cut, like on a fade route, RR would have been the only player that could have caught the ball. As is typical, JJ can't make the decision to throw until RR makes his cut; by then, it is too late.
exactly, go watch the same throw lee made against florida last year. very similar coverage, but lee threw the ball before the break and before the safety would have had time to react and get over there. JJ doesn't know how to throw to a spot on the field, only to an already open receiver LINK
you throw the fade to the back pylon and let your receiver make a play on the ball
This post was edited on 10/11/11 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:18 pm to Rouge
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not with a pre-snap weak side safety. sorry, i think you are wrong on this one.
By leaving in 9 guys to block it shows LSU was anticipating the blitz.
That is why the Post-snap read is the safety, if he blitz's RR runs an inside route. He didn't so he ran the out.
PS-And for the person who keeps saying "fade"...it was not a f/king FADE! Fade was never an option. You are showing your ignorance and I wish your posts could be marked with red letters so I can know you don't know what you are talking about
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:18 pm to lsufball19
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exactly, go watch the same throw lee made against florida last year
That was a fade not an out route and it was not a read route by the wide receiver.
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