- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Coaching Changes
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Jefferson's Smart Decision to throw the ball away (with Pictures)
Posted on 10/11/11 at 6:18 pm to LSUPHILLY72
Posted on 10/11/11 at 6:18 pm to LSUPHILLY72
I read the OP in Jaws' voice from MNF. Sounds like one of his breakdowns.
1
Posted on 10/11/11 at 6:20 pm to bakersman
quote:
i remember this play. jj held on to the ball too long. pre-snap he should have reconized the man to man with no safety over the top. and in pic 3 he should be starting to throw it. throw it high towards the back pylon where only rr can get to it.
look at pic 5, rr is staring his break. he still could have thrown high to towards the side line where only rr can catch it. the ball should be coming out at this point.
pic 6 rr is all the way out of his break and he should be extending towards the sideline for the catch.
this play should have been a score if jj knew how to pre-snap read and then recognize coverage.
So is your position that nothing happens post snap?
Is it your position that the pre snap reads are set in cement and that the defense doesn't adjust or drop into different coverages post snap?
Is it your position that defenses don't try to disguise their coverages in order to bait quarterbacks into throwing into double coverage.
Is it your position that quarterbacks should ignore any and all adjustments that the defense makes post snap and not adjust his actions?
Is it your position that the Florida defensive staff, remembering the situation last year, had not prepared their scheme into baiting LLSU into trying the same pass, but with different coverage, therby preventing a touchdown??
Is that what you are saying?
Posted on 10/11/11 at 6:21 pm to Adam Banks
quote:
That would depend on the IQ of the safety Considering if JJ looked to the right to where there was not even a receiver running a route like North Tiger wants him to Id be willing to bet the safetys IQ is higher than North Tiger's
You must know something about this Rhodes Scholar FS because you are so sure that he would not freeze momentarily to see if the TE released off the line. All JJ needed was him for freeze momentarily. Reading the FS's mind, he saw one guy split out, saw JJ take the snap and look directly toward RR. He never looked to the right and so he never even gave the FS reason to think there was anything there. In the end, the corner was so out of position so the FS was actually the only defender JJ had to contend with. JJ made that job easy for him.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 6:27 pm to LSUPHILLY72
quote:
So as you can see...He DID NOT stare down one receiver, he read the safety, and made the correct decision based on how the Defense played. Had it been man coverage and the safety would have blitzed, which is what LSU anticipated, #2 breaks to the inside and scores and easy TD.
I didn't read through the whole thread and don't know if it was already mentioned, but this was supposed to be a fade route to Randle. Randle was open however JJ threw the ball way too late. IMO, this is the wrong play call for JJ. Accurate timing throws to the corner of the end zone is not one of JJ's strengths.
This post was edited on 10/11/11 at 6:29 pm
Posted on 10/11/11 at 6:32 pm to LSUPHILLY72
All I have to say about this thread is that it's fricking hilarious that 15 pages have been wasted on parsing every nanosecond of one pass by JJ.
You people are amazing.
You people are amazing.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 6:34 pm to Mahootney
quote:
In before someone says they are simplifying the playbook for JJ.
I know for a fact they did this last year.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 6:34 pm to NorthTiger
quote:
You must know something about this Rhodes Scholar FS because you are so sure that he would not freeze momentarily to see if the TE released off the line
quote:
Reading the FS's mind,
Reading his mind? You can't possibly be serious.
Read his mind?
Posted on 10/11/11 at 6:35 pm to NorthTiger
quote:
You must know something about this Rhodes Scholar FS because you are so sure that he would not freeze momentarily to see if the TE released off the line. All JJ needed was him for freeze momentarily. Reading the FS's mind, he saw one guy split out, saw JJ take the snap and look directly toward RR. He never looked to the right and so he never even gave the FS reason to think there was anything there. In the end, the corner was so out of position so the FS was actually the only defender JJ had to contend with. JJ made that job easy for him.
I somehow wandered back into this thread (pretty shocked its still going strong) and lets just pretend that perhaps you are correct. Perhaps if JJ looks to the right the safety may would have stopped. However you premise that he looked at RR the whole time is wrong. I would argue that JJ is staring directly at the saftey till late in the sequence because that is his primary read for the play. If you look in the first three pictures he is almost looking straight ahead and then in the fourth his head+body makes a pretty drastic turn to the left towards Reuban who is now even further up field. So he wasnt staring down RR at all
This post was edited on 10/11/11 at 6:37 pm
Posted on 10/11/11 at 6:35 pm to GumboPot
quote:
but this was supposed to be a fade route to Randle.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 6:39 pm to Adam Banks
It was a quick read play. There was no reason to try to force the ball in. Look and if the play isn't there, dump it and kick the FG. That's Les Miles football, like it or not.
The QB did the right thing.
The QB did the right thing.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 6:47 pm to LSUPHILLY72
quote:
LSUPHILLY72
Looks like he could have just thrown it to the pylon
Not sure why you went through this much effort to justify a wasted play but congrats I guess
Posted on 10/11/11 at 6:47 pm to bakersman
what's the point of this thread? Why would a someone go through such trouble to attempt to prove that one player made a good decision on one play?
This is the equivalent of someone starting a thread breaking down Lee floating a ball up in the air off his back foot with pictures trying to convince us that it was a good play.
BUT... since some of you are so dense and can't get off JJ's jock, here's a breakdown of a similar play by Lee:
OHNOZ THERE'S A SAFETY THERE!!! DON'T THROW IT!!!
WHY ARE YOU THROWING IT SO EARLY?!?! HE'S ONLY LIKE 2 YARDS PAST THE LOS!!! WHAT ABOUT THE SAFETY!!! WHAT IS HE GOING TO DO? shite! HOLD ONTO THE BALL DAMNIT!
NO WAY!! YOU MEAN A QB CAN THROW THE BALL WHERE ONLY THE RECEIVER CAN CATCH IT? SOMEONE PINCH ME!!
This is the equivalent of someone starting a thread breaking down Lee floating a ball up in the air off his back foot with pictures trying to convince us that it was a good play.
BUT... since some of you are so dense and can't get off JJ's jock, here's a breakdown of a similar play by Lee:
OHNOZ THERE'S A SAFETY THERE!!! DON'T THROW IT!!!
WHY ARE YOU THROWING IT SO EARLY?!?! HE'S ONLY LIKE 2 YARDS PAST THE LOS!!! WHAT ABOUT THE SAFETY!!! WHAT IS HE GOING TO DO? shite! HOLD ONTO THE BALL DAMNIT!
NO WAY!! YOU MEAN A QB CAN THROW THE BALL WHERE ONLY THE RECEIVER CAN CATCH IT? SOMEONE PINCH ME!!
Posted on 10/11/11 at 6:51 pm to BrerTiger
quote:
All I have to say about this thread is that it's fricking hilarious that 15 pages have been wasted on parsing every nanosecond of one pass by JJ
Rivals the one where OBU generously dissected in infinite detail every incompletion JL had against Oregon. Guess where there aren't many incompletions, one has to work a little harder.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 6:53 pm to Tigerbait46
Posted on 10/11/11 at 7:01 pm to Tigerbait46
quote:
Tigerbait46
Different formation for 1.
3 receivers in the route 2.
Not the same play, not the same route.
I do like your drawings there Simon.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 7:01 pm to LSUPHILLY72
I'll need to see the video of this play... This picture looks like Randle is clearly open for the TD because both defenders look out of position to make any kind of play on the ball.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 7:03 pm to Tigerbait46
quote:
Tigerbait46
Interesting to say the least. Number 8 for Florida is way out of position. He shouldn't have given up the outside. He as inside help(10), so he should have forced the play inside where he has help. I'm glad he didn't.
Now I'll leave this to all you instant Sports Center experts.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 7:28 pm to LSUPHILLY72
Posted on 10/11/11 at 7:38 pm to LSUPHILLY72
should have been thrown before the break and away from the defnder. safety was not getting there or it would have been pass interference. He held the ball too long
Posted on 10/11/11 at 7:39 pm to NELAtigers
quote:
I read the OP in Jaws' voice from MNF. Sounds like one of his breakdowns.
I would love to spend a day with Jaws breaking down film.
Page 15 of 17
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News