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re: Jeff Grimes is a BIG Problem
Posted on 9/24/17 at 4:40 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Posted on 9/24/17 at 4:40 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
quote:
Here is why the Dline is not O's Fault:
He wasn't hired until AFTER the 2015 signing class. We have literally 1 DL on the team from either of those classes and that is Deondre Clarke, a career backup.
O was only on staff for 2016 and 2017 classes which include Rashard Lawrence, Ed Alexander, Glenn Logan, Tyler Shelvin, Neil Farrell, and Justin Thomas.
You can't Blame O for having no true Juniors or Seniors on this team. That was Brick Haley, John Chavis, and Les Miles's fault.
Agreed.... But why can't he coach them up so to speak? He is supposed to be tops at this, and he's not coaching offense or defensive.....
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Posted on 9/24/17 at 4:40 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Yep, he had the best offensive line in the country last year, but that was last year and last year is in the past. So it's all his fault this year for recruiting all those guards his previous boss made him do. Okay.
Meanwhile, even if he was fired, it still would not pacify all you unhinged O haters.
Meanwhile, even if he was fired, it still would not pacify all you unhinged O haters.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 4:45 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Is Grimes the issue or the change in offensive philosophy? Did Grimes let his recruits leave? Why would he? Those 5 that transferred and one was a starter for him.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 4:49 pm to 6R12
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But why can't he coach them up so to speak?
Coach Who up? There aren't any Jrs or Srs on the team. There are a few RS Srs but all three of them aren't very talented and then there are Freshman and Sophmores and he is in the process of coaching them up but things like that don't happen over night.
His 2 best players on the DL are Lawrence and Alexander and both of them are battling injuries. The third best player is arguably Shelvin and he is Academically ineligible.
So then it becomes a numbers game. We have 2 DL battling injuries, One who is ineligible, and 1 who is suspended until the Auburn game. Whats left is:
1)Lacouture
2)Gilmore
3)Lawrence (limited reps)
4)Thomas
5)Farrell
6)Logan
You can't expect a DL to hold up over the course of a game when you only have 5.5 of them playing.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 4:51 pm to Tiger1988
quote:
Is Grimes the issue or the change in offensive philosophy? Did Grimes let his recruits leave? Why would he? Those 5 that transferred and one was a starter for him.
The OL has been an issue for much longer than this season. It's just hit rock bottom this season.
Maea transferred because he was facing a lengthy suspension possibly for academics so that explains that transfer. The rest are on Grimes. He either promised them playing time that they were not receiving or misjudged their talent and it was obvious to those kids that they were out of their league in the SEC. Either way the problem is Jeff Grimes.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 4:52 pm to Tigerbait357
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I do hold O personally responsible for the D line, that was his position he focused on
Why? He was hired in mid January 2015. You're going to hold him responsible for us not signing a single defensive line recruit when he was only on the staff for three weeks before signing day?
In 2014 the only DT we signed was Trey Lealaimatafao. O is responsible for him being a complete bust and kicked off the team? The only other d linemen we signed that year were Godchaux (left early for the NFL) and Clark (converted to TE and now back to DE this year).
The 2016 and 2017 classes were very good. We had a few high profile misses in 2017, but it was still a very good class.
2016 we signed 5* Rashard Lawrence, 4* Ed Alexander, 4* Glenn Logan. Those guys are only sophomores and are basically the core of our d line.
2017, we landed two big-time defensive tackles (including Feheko) and two solid defensive ends. It's unfortunate that Shelvin isn't eligible, but that's not on O.
I have my concerns about this staff, but the lack of depth on the defensive line is definitely not on O.
Edit: uh. Everything Bert said...lol. Guess I took too long to type.
This post was edited on 9/24/17 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 9/24/17 at 4:54 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
The longer Jeff Grimes stays at one spot, the worse the OL performs.... it's happened at both auburn and now LSU.
He's a hell of a recruiter tho... should leave some talent for the next guy (all of the starters on AUs awesome 2013 OL were signed by grimes).
He's a hell of a recruiter tho... should leave some talent for the next guy (all of the starters on AUs awesome 2013 OL were signed by grimes).
Posted on 9/24/17 at 4:55 pm to Space Cowboy
quote:
Yep, he had the best offensive line in the country last year, but that was last year and last year is in the past. So it's all his fault this year for recruiting all those guards his previous boss made him do. Okay.
Meanwhile, even if he was fired, it still would not pacify all you unhinged O haters.
If you looked at ANY of my previous posts you'd know that I have been an O defender on this board but that is beyond the point.
This whole narrative that we had the #1 OL in the country last year is a complete myth. Last year's OL beat up on teams less talented than them and struggled MIGHTILY every time they faced any real competition. Believe it or not, Bama did not shut out every team they played last year. We were shutout becuase our OL got their asses handed to them. Same in the Auburn Game. Same in the Wisky Game.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 4:57 pm to lowspark12
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The longer Jeff Grimes stays at one spot, the worse the OL performs.... it's happened at both auburn and now LSU.
He's a hell of a recruiter tho... should leave some talent for the next guy (all of the starters on AUs awesome 2013 OL were signed by grimes).
We have 3 freshman that show REAL promise to be good players and we have 2 guys in the 2018 class that look like they have a lot of potential. Hopefully the next guy can coach them up.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:02 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
This whole thread is an effort to deflect the teams problems on Grimes so O comes out of this with a scapegoat. This teams problems run much deeper than OL. It's a combination of OL and DL. I actually think the DL is a much bigger problem than OL. All of this is on CEO for running off so many players. It's a hard job but all of the things you see O doing here are what he did so poorly at Ole Miss. He just isn't a great program manager.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:03 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
I think we'll probably see Orgeron hire an o line consultant very soon. I doubt he would fire Grimes mid season and I'm not even sure that would be the best way to go anyway. A consultant might be able to coach Grimes up enough to get us through the season.
O did the same thing in camp with Mickey Joseph and the receivers and it appears to have helped with that group.
O did the same thing in camp with Mickey Joseph and the receivers and it appears to have helped with that group.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:04 pm to tigereye58
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I actually think the DL is a much bigger problem than OL. All of this is on CEO for running off so many players.
Which defensive linemen has O run off?
Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:04 pm to tigereye58
quote:
This whole thread is an effort to deflect the teams problems on Grimes so O comes out of this with a scapegoat. This teams problems run much deeper than OL. It's a combination of OL and DL. I actually think the DL is a much bigger problem than OL. All of this is on CEO for running off so many players. It's a hard job but all of the things you see O doing here are what he did so poorly at Ole Miss. He just isn't a great program manager.
I'm sorry that any discussion outside of "O is the worst" distracts from your narrative but it is possible that we have problems other than the HC.
The OL problem is a Jeff Grimes problem. The hilarious part of the 5 transfers is that 4 of them were so bad that they were backing up these terrible tackles that we have so they wouldn't have helped out anyway.
Maea is another story, that kid dug his own grave.
This post was edited on 9/24/17 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:15 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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Jeff Grimes is a BIG Problem
Jeff Grimes is the BIGGEST problem. This team will NOT get better until the O-line gets better. Grimes has not recruited quality O-line talent or depth. He also has done a piss poor job coaching the talent that has shown up. Why O kept him is beyond comprehension. Outside of BDP, he was the first guy that should've been handed his walking papers.
This team will struggle until quality recruits & quality depth on the O-line start filling in the black hole left by a lazy Miles & an ineffective O-line coach. It starts with (firing Grimes first) this & next year's recruiting classes. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken shite & that's what is being served right now.
This post was edited on 9/24/17 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:21 pm to Space Cowboy
quote:WTF? If we had that center and one of those guards that O ran off we win 9 games.
Meanwhile, even if he was fired, it still would not pacify all you unhinged O haters.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:21 pm to Tigerbait357
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This team really looks out of shape and not physically up to compete with a SEC team. We are weak
After 4 games and through 1/3 of the regular season schedule it's become quite clear that this team has glaring gaps to close everywhere. However, it's the attitude and a lack of mental and physical toughness from this team that really stands out. It's a completely different identity and it's a brand of football that we're absolutely not accustomed to watching.
LSU's identity as a team through the years has had one constant..... They field big, fast and physical players on both sides of the ball. This style of play should be non-negotiable at LSU and especially in the SEC West. I'm not sure why or how this has happened under Coach O but navigating the coming SEC grind is going to be extremely tough on the players if their coaches fail to fix it.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:29 pm to Tiger1988
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If we had that center and one of those guards that O ran off we win 9 games.
The center and Guards are not the problem. How can you not see that?
Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:35 pm to tigereye58
quote:
This whole thread is an effort to deflect the teams problems on Grimes so O comes out of this with a scapegoat
It's really not. It's a thread about a problem that's actually fixable in real life. As bad as some of you hate him, Orgeron isn't going anywhere for at least the next two years and probably three. Getting better o line coaching is something that could be fixed this week.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:36 pm to Tiger1988
Which center? Dodd? Can you name players? Or are you just throwing crap against the wall?
Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:37 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
quote:
The center and Guards are not the problem
Youth at right guard has been a problem at times where guys have run the wrong play.
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