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re: Jeff Grimes is a BIG Problem
Posted on 9/25/17 at 9:36 am to GeauxTigers0107
Posted on 9/25/17 at 9:36 am to GeauxTigers0107
I agree that LSU's OL's have been GREAT at running the ball over everyone except Bama.
But to pass you have to be able to buy your QB time. Bottom line is them boys need to start shopping at the Pass Pro Shop!
But to pass you have to be able to buy your QB time. Bottom line is them boys need to start shopping at the Pass Pro Shop!
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Posted on 9/25/17 at 9:38 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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I'm sorry that any discussion outside of "O is the worst" distracts from your narrative but it is possible that we have problems other than the HC.
well O did indeed retain Grimes. Grimes body of work, even just at LSU, was enough to justify letting him go. You can't simply blame Grimes and not the new HC who promised he'd surround himself with the best of the best.
Also, O inherited this team knowing it's deficiencies. As Urban Meyer said a couple of weeks ago, when you decide to take a job, those players become yours, period.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 9:41 am to Mudminnow
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Moffit
I made a comment about him taking the summer off during the game and got chastised for it.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 9:46 am to 1badboy
quote:After the Int, LSU D gave up a 17 play drive, and Offensively they were terrible from the very start to like 3 minutes before half, but lets blame it on depth.
LSU Looks like their give out starting the 1st quarter!
The team as a whole is just ill, resembling Ed's Ol Miss squads, if you're old enough to recall them.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 9:46 am to Mayhawman
Wow. Just wow. Where to begin. That post that you were specifically replying to was talking about the Dline which has 1 TRUE JR or SR on the team (deondre Clark). The other 3 SRs are RS SRs and they are not good.
O gets credit for the Dline haul in 2016 because HE WAS THE DLINE COACH and recruited those guys.
As for the Oline, the OP addresses why it is Jeff Grimes's fault. He has no idea how to identify talent at the tackle position. Not 1 tackle he has ever recruited has played well. The only one that he's brought here that has played at all is Weathersby. The rest are either on the bench or playing at a directional school elsewhere.
Yes, O does get the blame for keeping Grimes on as OL coach.
These posts are in no way to excuse O from fault but to point out that others are also at fault.
O gets credit for the Dline haul in 2016 because HE WAS THE DLINE COACH and recruited those guys.
As for the Oline, the OP addresses why it is Jeff Grimes's fault. He has no idea how to identify talent at the tackle position. Not 1 tackle he has ever recruited has played well. The only one that he's brought here that has played at all is Weathersby. The rest are either on the bench or playing at a directional school elsewhere.
Yes, O does get the blame for keeping Grimes on as OL coach.
These posts are in no way to excuse O from fault but to point out that others are also at fault.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 9:51 am to cas4t
Coach O isn't making any excuses. He knows this is his team. Urban Meyers comments were directed at Tom Herman for telling the media that he doesn't have magic fairy dust that turns Texas into winners. O has never made comments like those.
I'm guessing that you will also want will Wade fired if he doesn't make the tournament? I mean it is his team now regardless of the state it was left in right?
I'm guessing that you will also want will Wade fired if he doesn't make the tournament? I mean it is his team now regardless of the state it was left in right?
Posted on 9/25/17 at 9:56 am to GeauxTigers0107
And how was the pass protection numbers while we were setting records with Fournette and Guice? They aren't good. Something like 1 sack for every 16 pass plays.
Where did we rank for tackles for loss (against) in 2016? 70 TFL ranked 48.
We played 3 top-25 rushing D's in 2016. What were our YPC against those? 4.3, 1.2, 4.3. A 4.3 ypc average was good for about a 69th national average in 2016.
Quoting the YPC statistics and those articles are misleading, disingenuous, and it masks deficiencies against teams you have to beat to be elite and make the playoffs. And it's only one aspect of the job a OL is supposed to do.
ETA: this year, so far we've allowed 6 sacks on 88 pass plays (1 sk per 14.7 pass plays). If it wasn't for Etling (and some Brennan on Sat) those numbers would be much worse. He's done a good job of scrambling to avoid the sack (just not scrambling to make a play).
Where did we rank for tackles for loss (against) in 2016? 70 TFL ranked 48.
We played 3 top-25 rushing D's in 2016. What were our YPC against those? 4.3, 1.2, 4.3. A 4.3 ypc average was good for about a 69th national average in 2016.
Quoting the YPC statistics and those articles are misleading, disingenuous, and it masks deficiencies against teams you have to beat to be elite and make the playoffs. And it's only one aspect of the job a OL is supposed to do.
ETA: this year, so far we've allowed 6 sacks on 88 pass plays (1 sk per 14.7 pass plays). If it wasn't for Etling (and some Brennan on Sat) those numbers would be much worse. He's done a good job of scrambling to avoid the sack (just not scrambling to make a play).
This post was edited on 9/25/17 at 10:07 am
Posted on 9/25/17 at 9:58 am to Tigerbait357
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am astounded O didn't replace him after he was hired,
Thats on O
Expected him to be gone. It's definitely on O and I was shocked he wasn't gone.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 10:00 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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As for the Oline, the OP addresses why it is Jeff Grimes's fault. He has no idea how to identify talent at the tackle position. Not 1 tackle he has ever recruited has played well. The only one that he's brought here that has played at all is Weathersby. The rest are either on the bench or playing at a directional school elsewhere.
2016 #1
2015 #3
Seems LSU must have had at least an ok OL last couple years prior to Canada.
tRant is running out of scapegoats.
ETA: I actually didn't approve of Grimes hire at the time, but don't think that's the problem right now.
This post was edited on 9/25/17 at 10:03 am
Posted on 9/25/17 at 10:03 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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Coach O isn't making any excuses. He knows this is his team. Urban Meyers comments were directed at Tom Herman for telling the media that he doesn't have magic fairy dust that turns Texas into winners. O has never made comments like those.
never said O was making excuses. I simply implied that you and others in this thread are. O has allowed numerous OLmen to walk, and you're simply blaming that on Grimes and absolving all fault from Orgeron. O is the HC and former recruiting coordinator and the buck stops at his desk if that many players transfer out under his watch, period.
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I'm guessing that you will also want will Wade fired if he doesn't make the tournament? I mean it is his team now regardless of the state it was left in right?
What?
First of all, basketball is entirely different for a number of reasons. 1 being freshman have a huge impact immediately. Also, making the tournament is very hard. Beating Mississippi State in football is not. Hopefully you see where I'm going with this.
This post was edited on 9/25/17 at 10:06 am
Posted on 9/25/17 at 10:13 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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The problem is O
While your hatred of O has been well documented on this site, Can we keep the discussion in this thread on Criticisms or possible Defenses of Grimes? O didn't recruit the shite storm that this Oline has become. 5 guys may have left on O's watch but they were Jeff Grimes's guys and He should have been able to influence at least a few of them to stay.
some people do not have the ability to discuss... just want to win the argument. TOTALLY AGREE W YOU.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 10:20 am to cas4t
What is this BS about "allowed them to leave"? Should he have held them at gun point and forced them to stay?
Not to mention the only transfer with even a slight bit of talent was Teheuma who was to much of a chicken shite to take his suspension like a man. He basically took his ball and went home.
Like I've said before, While O is at fault for a lot of what is going on, this thread is about Jeff Grimes and his terribleness. Yes, it is O's fault he is still on staff.
TBH, les miles dodged a frickin bullet. He let this roster become absolute shite and was lucky enough to get canned before it hit the fan.
Not to mention the only transfer with even a slight bit of talent was Teheuma who was to much of a chicken shite to take his suspension like a man. He basically took his ball and went home.
Like I've said before, While O is at fault for a lot of what is going on, this thread is about Jeff Grimes and his terribleness. Yes, it is O's fault he is still on staff.
TBH, les miles dodged a frickin bullet. He let this roster become absolute shite and was lucky enough to get canned before it hit the fan.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 10:24 am to cas4t
quote:This assumes the OL that transferred would have made it better. We're not dealing with depth issues... yet. We're dealing with quality issues. Except for 1, who dug his own grave with grades & attendance facing suspension for that, the rest were not an upgrade over what is out there right now.
never said O was making excuses. I simply implied that you and others in this thread are. O has allowed numerous OLmen to walk, and you're simply blaming that on Grimes and absolving all fault from Orgeron. O is the HC and former recruiting coordinator and the buck stops at his desk if that many players transfer out under his watch, period.
That is a recruiting issue- on CEO, Miles, & Grimes. All 3.
I will say the transfers are concerning. It's a bad indicator. But they are not the reason the OL is sucking. It took years of recruiting and poor development to get here.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 10:33 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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What is this BS about "allowed them to leave"? Should he have held them at gun point and forced them to stay?
Believe it or not, head coaches of big programs are generally considered capable of convincing 19-20 year olds to do certain things.
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Not to mention the only transfer with even a slight bit of talent was Teheuma who was to much of a chicken shite to take his suspension like a man. He basically took his ball and went home.
Not debating the talent, and agree. But more bodies, for the interim, couldn't have hurt. I've seen an OL (and DL) that has been gassed in all 3 games thus far.
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Like I've said before, While O is at fault for a lot of what is going on, this thread is about Jeff Grimes and his terribleness. Yes, it is O's fault he is still on staff.
They go hand-in-hand, sorry. This entire board will shite on Grimes with you until the sun comes up tomorrow, but if you thought this entire thread would go without blaming Orgeron for retaining Grimes, then idk what to tell you. It's a pretty big blemish on Orgeron.
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TBH, les miles dodged a frickin bullet. He let this roster become absolute shite and was lucky enough to get canned before it hit the fan.
Agree to an extent.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 10:36 am to I20goon
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I will say the transfers are concerning. It's a bad indicator
The transfers and penalty issues are indicators, to me, that Orgeron doesn't have control of this team. Let's be clear- this isn't just a few transfers. There was a mass exodus.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 10:53 am to cas4t
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Not debating the talent, and agree. But more bodies, for the interim, couldn't have hurt.
But depth is not the issue, so why do you keep harping on the transfers? Teuhma leaving absolutely hurt, but you think Orgeron shouldn't be able to suspend players? Hell, we don't even know if he was going to be eligible to play at all this year. If that was the case, then he had to transfer so he could play this year and try and enter the draft.
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They go hand-in-hand, sorry. This entire board will shite on Grimes with you until the sun comes up tomorrow, but if you thought this entire thread would go without blaming Orgeron for retaining Grimes, then idk what to tell you. It's a pretty big blemish on Orgeron.
I think O was on the fence about Grimes and decided to give him a shot. It was probably a mistake. The test is how you identify and correct your mistakes. As much as people want to see Orgeron fired, he's not going anywhere for at least two years and probably three. So why keep focusing on him? It's obvious he's ultimately responsible for the poor line play. But why can't we discuss possible solutions to fixing the offensive line that can happen TODAY and THIS season and off-season?
Posted on 9/25/17 at 11:00 am to I20goon
His line wouldn't be a great improvement but would be a Lil better
Posted on 9/25/17 at 11:17 am to whitefoot
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But depth is not the issue, so why do you keep harping on the transfers?
depth is part of the issue. And O being unable to prevent various transfers is indicative of other issues with him, IMO. I said as much.
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It's obvious he's ultimately responsible for the poor line play. But why can't we discuss possible solutions to fixing the offensive line that can happen TODAY and THIS season and off-season?
I didn't say you couldn't. But again, were we not promised he'd surround himself with top level coaches who he would then let coach their respective positions? We are 3 games into the season and it is apparent he did not do that.
And honestly, there isn't really anything O, Grimes or anyone else can do TODAY to fix the issues on OL. These issues aren't corrected mid season. If anything, as you or someone else mentioned, what O can focus on for next year is replacing Grimes and working the JUCO angle for OL, and DL for that matter.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 11:20 am to I20goon
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I will say the transfers are concerning.
To me the transfers and Suspension are an indicator of one main thing: Miles did not hold players accountable.
To me this shows that Orgeron is trying to change the culture of the locker room. He's saying that there is a new sheriff in town and the BS that you got away with under Miles won't cut it anymore.
Now, if we are still having 10 players suspended next year abd the year after and we continue to see players transfer out then it is absolutely a CEO problem. At this point I think I'll lean toward the more positive theory.
Posted on 9/25/17 at 11:36 am to Draconian Sanctions
Fleck is one fired up dude. He has never been a coordinator (am I wrong) but he seems very smart, for real. Youtube will change the way coaches are hired, eventually, maybe already, assuming the AD knows how to negotiate, and doesn't let personal feelings get in the way.
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