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re: Jay Johnson on the pitching plan
Posted on 6/13/23 at 5:39 pm to deathvalleytiger10
Posted on 6/13/23 at 5:39 pm to deathvalleytiger10
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if Stanford wins
Along with LSU then great. Skenes vs Stanford is an even better matchup.
Either way we are saving Skenes for a national seed. Either marbles game or elimination game. That's where i want to throw our national POY. Not vs a 2 seed we have already taken a series from.
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we should go ahead and lose so that we can be sure Skenes faces WF. Laughable to consider. Right?
Yes, you sound like an idiot
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Going 2-0 to start is the best case scenario so you set your pitching to maximize your chances of winning both games
Fixed it for you
Posted on 6/13/23 at 6:00 pm to Honkus
Thankfully JJ is too smart to even consider your proposition. Skenes will go game one.
And then Floyd and the rest will win game 2. You have no confidence in them but I do.
I believe 27 of the last 32 Champions started 2-0. Skenes gives us the best chance to win game 1 and to go 2-0, you need game one.
Keep arguing your opinion. I admire your consistency. JJ isn’t buying it though.
And then Floyd and the rest will win game 2. You have no confidence in them but I do.
I believe 27 of the last 32 Champions started 2-0. Skenes gives us the best chance to win game 1 and to go 2-0, you need game one.
Keep arguing your opinion. I admire your consistency. JJ isn’t buying it though.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 6:04 pm to deathvalleytiger10
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I believe 27 of the last 32 Champions started 2-0. Skenes gives us the best chance to win game 1 and to go 2-0, you need game one.
While I'm of the opinion that we should start Skenes game 1, this line of reasoning is so dumb.
No shite you have to win game 1 to go 2-0... but you also have to win game 2.
If you could guarantee me that LSU would when game 1 no matter who pitches, then anybody with a brain would hold Skenes until game 2 (which is why we should've done that in the regional, but that's besides the point). The whole reason you pitch Skenes in game 1 is 10% to line him for game 1 of the championship series and 90% because nothing is a given in the CWS, so start with your best and work your way from there.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 6:22 pm to deathvalleytiger10
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Thankfully JJ is too smart to even consider your proposition.
Doubt it. CJJ is meticulous. He'll look at all options and choose what he thinks best. Im good with that.
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Keep arguing your opinion
i just fail to see the downside of saving him. Either you got him for the marbles game or in an elimination game.. either way vs a national seed
This post was edited on 6/13/23 at 6:23 pm
Posted on 6/13/23 at 6:31 pm to Broski
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this line of reasoning is so dumb.
Lol. Do have another reason other than doing your best to win game one with your best pitcher as a reason Skenes starts?
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If you could guarantee me that LSU would when game 1 no matter who pitches
Again, comical. Give us game one with anyone and you would start Skenes game 2? That’s supposed to be some sort of brilliant thinking? Everyone would take that. But you can’t get that guarantee can you?
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The whole reason you pitch Skenes in game 1 is 10% to line him for game 1 of the championship series and 90% because nothing is a given in the CWS, so start with your best and work your way from there.
Be careful, that’s what I’ve been saying the whole time but certain posters think that’s crazy talk. And, you just solidified why I posted the 27 of 32 stat. You got to win game one.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 6:36 pm to deathvalleytiger10
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have another reason other than doing your best to win game one with your best pitcher as a reason Skenes starts?
The relative strengths of the opponents in game 2 vs game 1. Simple logic states you line your best pitcher up for the tougher matchup. Same argument we used in the regionals for saving Skenes (and we saw what Jay did)
Posted on 6/13/23 at 6:44 pm to Honkus
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i just fail to see the downside of saving him
Fair enough.
I think a game 1 loss is too devastating to our chances to win it all to not throw him, and I want him with a chance to maybe sneak in an inning or so in a 3rd game if needed or possible.
Hopefully we win the first 2 and none of this matters.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 6:49 pm to Honkus
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Simple logic states you line your best pitcher up for the tougher matchup
Can you guarantee game 2 is tougher than game one? No. That argument is not relevant because you can’t guarantee who we play. It’s just guessing. Now is not the time to guess.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 6:52 pm to Honkus
Jesus. 10 pages of repeating the same thing. I replied to you twice, and you pretended like you were just doing it to troll me. Here you are, some 6 hours later, still going at it.
Skenes is pitching game 1.
Skenes is pitching game 1.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 7:08 pm to Honkus
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Same argument we used in the regionals for saving Skenes (and we saw what Jay did)
See this is what I don’t understand. If Jay didn’t hold Skenes against Tulane, why would anyone expect him to hold Skenes against Tennessee? It makes way more sense in the regional and we still pitched Skenes game 1.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 7:10 pm to deathvalleytiger10
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That argument is not relevant because you can’t guarantee who we play
guarantee we play a national seed in game 2
Posted on 6/13/23 at 7:16 pm to Honkus
Playing devil’s advocate here (as I would be totally fine holding Skenes for Game2), do we know FOR CERTAIN that Wake/Stanford is better than Tenn?
An argument could be made, I think, that Tenn is more Battle-tested and more talented overall.
I think the difference between Tenn and Wake/Stanford is probably marginal at best, that’s why I’m fine going Skenes Game1 and opening up more opportunities with Skenes as the tourney plays out, especially if there are bad weather days that extends the tourney out. If Game1 was Southern Miss or Oral Roberts or Penn I think the case for saving Skenes has some legs.
I think this conversation is all for fun and to pass time though, cause I really doubt JJ holds Skenes, I would be shocked if he did.
An argument could be made, I think, that Tenn is more Battle-tested and more talented overall.
I think the difference between Tenn and Wake/Stanford is probably marginal at best, that’s why I’m fine going Skenes Game1 and opening up more opportunities with Skenes as the tourney plays out, especially if there are bad weather days that extends the tourney out. If Game1 was Southern Miss or Oral Roberts or Penn I think the case for saving Skenes has some legs.
I think this conversation is all for fun and to pass time though, cause I really doubt JJ holds Skenes, I would be shocked if he did.
This post was edited on 6/13/23 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 6/13/23 at 7:17 pm to lostinbr
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why would anyone expect him to hold Skenes against Tennessee
Just saying what i would do. He's jay johnson and im honkus from tiger droppings.. so....
Posted on 6/13/23 at 7:19 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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Here you are, some 6 hours later, still going at it
A couple others picked up baton for me for pages 4-8 while i got some work done. Gonna be a long week
This post was edited on 6/13/23 at 8:12 pm
Posted on 6/13/23 at 7:26 pm to JPLSU1981
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do we know FOR CERTAIN that Wake/Stanford is better than Tenn?
Thats totally fair JP. Id put either national seed over 10'r but an argument could be made bw Stanford/Tenn.
All i know is i want no part of stanford if it comes down to an elimination game. They are 10-1 in NCAAT élimination games this year and last
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 7:30 pm to Honkus
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guarantee we play a national seed in game 2
So now you advocate for holding Skenes for Stanford?
Man, wish you had mentioned that at the beginning. Game changer there. Makes perfect sense now.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 7:33 pm to Alt26
CJJ is sold on Floyd, however he looks he doesn’t lose, hasn’t yet and Riley has all of JJs trust also. If Riley is on he may pitch in multiple games
Posted on 6/13/23 at 7:37 pm to deathvalleytiger10
There’s definitely logic in lining up your best pitcher against your potential “best”opponent.
This isn’t some new theory, it’s been around college baseball (specifically the regionals) since the beginning of time. Given Omaha is effectively a 4-team regional to start, it’s not a big stretch that the same logic still applies.
That said, We all know we’ll be pitching Skenes Game1 vs UT, but it’s totally understandable that one would consider the alternative strategy. While I don’t think JJ will do it, he’d be an idiot to not at least consider it… It’s due diligence.
This isn’t some new theory, it’s been around college baseball (specifically the regionals) since the beginning of time. Given Omaha is effectively a 4-team regional to start, it’s not a big stretch that the same logic still applies.
That said, We all know we’ll be pitching Skenes Game1 vs UT, but it’s totally understandable that one would consider the alternative strategy. While I don’t think JJ will do it, he’d be an idiot to not at least consider it… It’s due diligence.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 8:11 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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Skenes is pitching game 1.
No one said he wasn't.
We are simply giving our opinion on what might be the best scenario.
We don't get paid the big bucks to make those decisions so all we do is state our opinion.
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