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re: 'It's unethical': LSU DB Kristian Fulton, through attorney, fighting two-year NCAA ban
Posted on 3/13/18 at 11:25 am to Stephen1979
Posted on 3/13/18 at 11:25 am to Stephen1979
It's not the NCAA's fault for Fulton making a stupid choice to do drugs.
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Posted on 3/13/18 at 11:43 am to tigerfan92
The world is the way it is today because of society's and our judicial system's lack of discipline and holding people accountable. They let multiple DWI offenders still get behind the wheel then wonder why they kill an innocent person after their 5th time. I'm rooting for the kid and wish him all the best in the world, but I bet he never does anything like this again after serving this type of suspension, so in essence it is effective. Yes he was young, but he still knew better. He seems like a really good kid just had a bad lapse in judgement and suffered a harsh consequence (which may help him later in life from making another bad choice). Let's be honest, fans are just more upset due to the lack of depth on our CB chart.
This post was edited on 3/13/18 at 11:48 am
Posted on 3/13/18 at 11:47 am to Space Cowboy
Yeah.
When your attorney's lead argument is that the assessment of a penalty is "unethical", you have a problem. "It doesn't seem fair" is not the leading tool to overturn an adverse decision. if anything, it is a refuge of last resort.
When your attorney's lead argument is that the assessment of a penalty is "unethical", you have a problem. "It doesn't seem fair" is not the leading tool to overturn an adverse decision. if anything, it is a refuge of last resort.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 11:49 am to Space Cowboy
Kristian Fulton: act like an adult.
You knew the consequences going into the test. Own up to your poor decision and move on.
You knew the consequences going into the test. Own up to your poor decision and move on.
This post was edited on 3/13/18 at 11:50 am
Posted on 3/13/18 at 11:54 am to Alt26
quote:
Hell, in the NFL tampering with a test only results in a 6 game suspension. 10 for a second violation. But this kid gets 2 years! No one is saying he shouldn't have been punished. But 2 years seems completely ridiculous.
If that's accurate the disproportionality is ridiculous. That's an incredibly harsh punishment for a student athlete that has a short window that will determine his future.
I wonder what the precedent is for this offense. How many other collegiate athletes have received a 2 year punishment?
Posted on 3/13/18 at 12:05 pm to Space Cowboy
Seems like today my way of thinking no longer exists', but kids need to learn that there are consequences for every action, good or bad. I promise you that when this is over Kristian Fulton will be a better man for it.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 12:27 pm to BayouCowboy
Yes he is obviously the victim here
Posted on 3/13/18 at 12:37 pm to Catman88
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Yes he is obviously the victim here
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you are being sarcastic. I never questioned him being punished. It's the proportionality that I questioned. 1st offense costs you half your college career?
Posted on 3/13/18 at 12:40 pm to Stephen1979
quote:that's only half of it.
Do you think the punishment will help him be a better person going forward? Isn't that what this supposed to be about? Helping these kids be better people on and off the field?
The other reason for stiff punishment is deterrence for others in the future.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 12:50 pm to nitwit
quote:exactly.
"It doesn't seem fair" is not the leading tool to overturn an adverse decision. if anything, it is a refuge of last resort.
In one law school class early in my first year, when getting grilled by a professor on a particular issue, a classmate gave the reason "it's not fair." The professor exploded.
It's not about fairness, it's about the law (or in the case, the rules).
Posted on 3/13/18 at 12:53 pm to Space Cowboy
The punishment is the punishment. He broke the rules
Posted on 3/13/18 at 12:54 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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The punishment is the punishment. He broke the rules
Yup, it's not like this is a made up punishment either. It's right there in black and white on their website. If you tamper with a drug test it's 2 years.
Yes, it sucks, but we should have a compliance department that stresses this stuff.
This post was edited on 3/13/18 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 3/13/18 at 1:53 pm to atltiger6487
quote:I seem to find myself arguing with others about:
In one law school class early in my first year, when getting grilled by a professor on a particular issue, a classmate gave the reason "it's not fair." The professor exploded.
It's not about fairness, it's about the law (or in the case, the rules).
what is ethical, isn't always moral
what is legal, isn't always fair
I don't seem why some people want to equate those as pairs. Even worse, why some people equate all 4.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 2:01 pm to kengel2
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Yes, it sucks, but we should have a compliance department that stresses this stuff
The compliance department drills this into every athlete's head.
Every LSU athlete knows this penalty.
Crying foul after cheating and knowing the punishment is absurd and immature.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 3:14 pm to Catman88
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Crying foul after cheating and knowing the punishment is absurd and immature.
Yup.
Just seems like they would tell them to just fail the test instead of tampering.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 3:18 pm to JakeFromStateFarm
quote:His quote is also from a lawyer....
This quote makes it sound like the NCAA mishandled his sample, and if so, he definitely has a leg to stand on.
Look, i hate the NCAA, and love LSU, but I have a hard time seeing them suspending a player for 2 years for tampering, when it was themselves that messed up the specimen
Posted on 3/13/18 at 3:21 pm to tigersbb
quote:I understand this. The issue is, the first two things you listed can come with a bunch of grey areas:
Knock out a woman cold , no problem - Joe Mixon.
Domestic violence - get second chance at Alabama after dismissal from Georgia- no problem.
Try to deceive on a drug test and must sit out two years.
Did he really do it? Is the woman lying? Will the charges get dropped? The degree of the crime? etc etc
Tampering with your sample is easy to define, so therefore it is defined by the ncaa
I fully believe it is too harsh, but I understand why it is clearly defined where other things arent at all
Posted on 3/13/18 at 3:27 pm to Space Cowboy
2 years is insane considering like most professional sport don’t even have 1 year suspensions for repeat offenders (PEDs at least)
Posted on 3/13/18 at 3:32 pm to Space Cowboy
It bothers me that weed is still being classified as a drug such bullshite
such bullshitePosted on 3/13/18 at 3:33 pm to ELchapoLSU
quote:The NCAA actually doesnt test for weed during its annual testing.........
It bothers me that weed is still being classified as a drug such bullshite
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