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re: It's clear that this board is now a bastion of anti-O sentiment.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:23 pm to cforester821
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:23 pm to cforester821
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I think his coaching record at USC and LSU has been the "proving grounds."
Did anyone offer him a HC job after SC??
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Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:23 pm to GeauxTigerTM
Because he said "as a person" that is why. I do think O has changed and learned and wouldn't be the worst hire certainly not the best. Don't get why people are so emotionally against/for any coach.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:24 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Holy non sequitur, Batman!
One doesn't have to be perfect in order to hold someone else accountable for their own actions. If this were the case, literally NO ONE ON EARTH could be held accountable for their mistakes. You advocating that?
Orgeron's one and only stop as a full time HC was a failure. there is no other way to describe it. In addition, either because he has turned them down (I'm not aware of this if he has so please feel free to link them if you think I'm wrong) or because he has not been offered them, but he has not been the head coach at another school as the full time HC.
So, to recap...the one time he WAS given full control, the program was an abysmal failure. He interimed SC to a solid record and they told him to move on. No one stepped up to offer him their HC position, and then LSU called to offer the DL spot.
But...none of that should be scrutinized before simply assuming he's the guy based on the record at SC that meant frick all to them since they didn't give him the job, and an interim gig here with Les Miles' team.
Was he not given full control during his interim tenures? I find it incredible that he has lead his interim teams to a record of 10-3 so far and has a very real shot of going 12-3. I think it has been undervalued how hard it is to rally your team around you in the aftermath of a coaching change and win games plus keep a top 5 recruiting class together(while at LSU).
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:26 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Did anyone offer him a HC job after SC??
Not really sure what your point is. No one hired him as a Defensive line coach a year after that too. Does that mean he is a terrible defensive line coach?
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:28 pm to Slippy
I agree with you on this. There is enormous negativity about an interim coach that has exceeded everyone's expectations. From my view, O is demonstrating that he has learned from Johnson, Carrol, Kiffin, Payton, and other coaches, and has a formula that works. Win the next two, and get our first Cajun coach.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:28 pm to TigerFanNKaty
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Don't get why people are so emotionally against/for any coach.
Because it's LSU Football.
And even though we've just gone through the best run in the program's history, some were never happy. sucks for them, really. But, it shows that we are very much at a crossroads with this hire. We let go of the safe bet, the guy that had won a ton but was slowly eroding.
This next hire could either vault us back to the upper echelon of college football, or could just as easily send us to where traditional powers like Michigan, Notre Dame,and even BAMA have been from time to time. No program is immune.
So...hiring a guy on the HOPE that he's better than the ONE TIME he's had total control over his own program given the ramifications seems...and let me be blunt...fricking insane to me. While it's true EVERY HIRE comes with it risks, the goal is to manage that risk as best you can., and hiring a guy based on hopes that he's better than he was the one time he's done it full time seems fool-hearty.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:30 pm to logjamming
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Regardless, in typical LSU fashion, no matter who gets the job, half of the fan base will bitch and moan any time the team fails to convert a 3rd down and say "see!! I told you that dumbass [INSERT COACH] couldn't coach. I hope LSU loses out this year so we can get someone else in here!"
And this is the ignorance of a very large portion of lsu fans.
They need to own it and just say "I hate O because he's a Cajun and I'm sooo much more intelligent than Cajuns."
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:33 pm to cforester821
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Not really sure what your point is.
Sure you do, which s why you didn't answer it.
If his stint as SC interim was so profound and game changing for his rehab as a HC after having been so bad at Ole miss, them why didn't anyone step up and hand him the keys to their program? Surely someone could see what a great hire he'd have made, and just ho much he'd changed...right?
Someone needs to go back and see how many college openings were available that season that ALL passed on O despite his great run as SC's interim.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:35 pm to logjamming
quote:false, ole miss was up 24-3 on bama & lost by 5
He's thrashed every team LSU has faced, except the number 1 team in the county, and even then, he gave them the best game they've had all year
This post was edited on 11/18/16 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:39 pm to GeauxTigerTM
Well to be fair there were some that wanted to keep O at USC. You are acting like no one at all wanted him after the went 6-2.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:42 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Sure you do, which s why you didn't answer it.
If his stint as SC interim was so profound and game changing for his rehab as a HC after having been so bad at Ole miss, them why didn't anyone step up and hand him the keys to their program? Surely someone could see what a great hire he'd have made, and just ho much he'd changed...right?
Someone needs to go back and see how many college openings were available that season that ALL passed on O despite his great run as SC's interim.
I understand it now. Just didn't get it the first time because it was just a bad argument.
When did I say his USC coaching alone was grounds for him to get the job? That PLUS what he's done at LSU is grounds enough to hire him. Now answer my question:
Using your logic of "No one hied him as a HC, therefore he's not good enough," why did no one hire him as a defensive line coach? Because he wasn't good enough? your logic is flawed.
This post was edited on 11/18/16 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:44 pm to TigerFanNKaty
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Well to be fair there were some that wanted to keep O at USC. You are acting like no one at all wanted him after the went 6-2
Not fans or media...decisions makers. AD's.
They did not want him, or they'd have hired him.
I mean...take a step back for a minute and ask yourself, "Is it strange that a guy that has been coaching this long who CLEARLY wants to be a head coach has not gotten more opportunities?" Is it all some big conspiracy against Orgeron or are schools simply all simply seeing this as, at best, an extremely risky move and they are going with the safer hires?
To not ask that question misses the point of what many of us are trying to say...
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:46 pm to cforester821
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When did I say his USC coaching alone was grounds for him to get the job? That PLUS what he's done at LSU is grounds enough to hire him.
So...pre LSU, he was STILL not good enough to hire at a midmajor as their HC, but NOW he's good enough to be given the keys to a Top 5 gig? Ugh...
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Using your logic of "No one hied him as a HC, therefore he's not good enough," why did no one hire him as a defensive line coach? Because he wasn't good enough?
Because he took time off after being rejected from the SC head coaching job. Far as I know, this was pretty widely reported, was it not?
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:47 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Not fans or media...decisions makers. AD's. They did not want him, or they'd have hired him. I mean...take a step back for a minute and ask yourself, "Is it strange that a guy that has been coaching this long who CLEARLY wants to be a head coach has not gotten more opportunities?" Is it all some big conspiracy against Orgeron or are schools simply all simply seeing this as, at best, an extremely risky move and they are going with the safer hires? To not ask that question misses the point of what many of us are trying to say...
The only thing that has held him back is his record at Ole Miss. If he was the same coach now as he was then, he would show the same tendencies and have the same winning percentage in recent years, which he doesn't.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:47 pm to GeauxTigerTM
It was Pat Hayden's decision not to hire him. He was sold on Sark. How did that work out? Look if O wins out he's getting the job. Hope it all works out and whip Saban's as. You don't know he won't anymore than you would know if Jimbo or Herman will. For me I'm in the Herman camp.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:49 pm to TigerFanNKaty
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Look if O wins out he's getting the job.
I refuse to believe this.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:49 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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So...pre LSU, he was STILL not good enough to hire at a midmajor as their HC, but NOW he's good enough to be given the keys to a Top 5 gig? Ugh...
Not what I was saying. I'm just saying that he has further proven what was already true: He's a good head coach(After Ole Miss).
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Because he took time off after being rejected from the SC head coaching job. Far as I know, this was pretty widely reported, was it not?
If that is the case, then maybe that is why he didn't get any offers as a head coach.
This post was edited on 11/18/16 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:52 pm to Mo Jeaux
Well I think the writings on the wall.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:53 pm to cforester821
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He's a good head coach(After Ole Miss).
But Ole Miss is his only HC experience. Being an interim for less than a season at two stops does not equal being a HC.
Posted on 11/18/16 at 4:53 pm to Slippy
LSU football is an ELITE program. Ed Orgeron is NOT an elite coach and is not and has not been considered for a HC position at any elite program!
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