re: It' ok to be Judgemental on "O" Just start with the right premise, for F's sake!

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You keep mentioning Belichick and Carroll, do you honestly know nothing about their past. Neither was a failure in their first stop. They were not as successful (although Bill B went to the playoffs in Cleveland) but this failure thing is nonsense. Cam Cameron was a failure in the NFL, not Belichick or Carroll.
I really think you just repeat stories you've heard.

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Just let the idiots out themselves.

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It is still 2 losses and LSU fired a coach because he was on the verge of averaging 3 a year with this talent.

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Exactly. Nothing O has done shows that he will take LSU to the next level.

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Exactly. We fired a great recruiter and great motivator(sound familiar) because it wasnt enough to challenge for west titles. We fired him because 2 -3 losses a year WASNT GOOD ENOUGH.

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Wait!!! Does interim count or not count? Rick, I thought you said interim does not count? It's not running a program? So, O, as the LSU HC is undefeated, right?

Let's not look at the distant past... but let's look at what O has done in his present, full-time gig... 1 W and 0 Losses.

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Wait!!! Does interim count or not count? Rick, I thought you said interim does not count? It's not running a program? So, O, as the LSU HC is undefeated, right?

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Uh. Im not the one trying to count interim. Im just saying even his interim coaching wasnt great. We lost to a 14 point underdog at home while they were missing tons of defensive starters. But let me guess thats on the players.

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You guys sound like you're going to be mad if we make the playoff next year under Ed. Why can't you just hope for the best? Enjoy the ride.

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we've all said we hope we go undefeated with O at the helm. Of course I hope for the best, I'd love to win the NC next year.

Of course I'm able to hope for the best and still look at the team and staff objectively.

Of course. Why wouldn't I?

Because nobody is acknowledging that he's made progress as a coach since his days at USC/ole miss.

Everyone is saying he's going to do the same job here he did at USC/ole miss.

Im vurious, it is such a small sample size. What progress has he shown you since Ole Miss? He has not been in charge or recruiting, offseason, etc since then...

Has his record improved as an interim in two gigs yes, but we can't really determine what progress he has made until we actually see how he handles the whole aspect of the program.

He did not deserve this job. His last name and accent turned into something more valuable than his resume. That's tough to take. The hypocrisy and double standard being applied due to identity politics continues to sour me. I love the coordinators and I'll probably give them all the credit for as long as I can. I don't necessarily dislike Ed Orgeron but the fans that are gushing over him and acting like he is a great hire with no evidence to support it , really are hard to stomach.

I hope we win and win a lot . I'll most likely be giving credit to Miles program and the coaches and talent he established much like the Anti-Miles folks gave credit to anyone and anything other than Miles.

This is new for me . Never had this outlook , but the way this all went down and the way some fans are so willing to be blindly supportive of a terrible hire make it impossible to think otherwise for the time being .