re: It' ok to be Judgemental on "O" Just start with the right premise, for F's sake!

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e did not deserve this job. His last name and accent turned into something more valuable than his resume. That's tough to take. The hypocrisy and double standard being applied due to identity politics continues to sour me. I love the coordinators and I'll probably give them all the credit for as long as I can. I don't necessarily dislike Ed Orgeron but the fans that are gushing over him and acting like he is a great hire with no evidence to support it , really are hard to stomach.

I hope we win and win a lot . I'll most likely be giving credit to Miles program and the coaches and talent he established much like the Anti-Miles folks gave credit to anyone and anything other than Miles.

This is new for me . Never had this outlook , but the way this all went down and the way some fans are so willing to be blindly supportive of a terrible hire make it impossible to think otherwise for the time being .

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I agree with a bunch of this but if you give credit to miles for what happens under orgeron, youre being as stupid as the people that gave saban credit during miles tenure and i know you're not that kind of poster.

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You guys sound like you're going to be mad if we make the playoff next year under Ed. Why can't you just hope for the best? Enjoy the ride.

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Seriously, how dense are you? What a stupid, wildly inaccurate assertion. LSU fans want LSU to win championships. That's why our most successful coach ever was just fired. He wasn't putting us in a position to compete for championships anymore.

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hmmm = his picture just may be beside the word "recruiting" in the dictionary!

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Well, I'm hoping we'll see this recruiting prowess soon. It hasn't materialized quite yet. He failed to get Buggs, Allen, Akers, or Moses. And we just lost Rice.

Being an interim HC is not the same as running and sustaining an entire program. We have no idea how or whether he's progressed in that department since Ole Miss. at this time, I am cautiously optimistic that we will be successful under O.

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Because nobody is acknowledging that he's made progress as a coach since his days at USC/ole miss.

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We don't know that how much progress he's made though, or if it will be enough. You know other coaches are making progress too right? It's not just Orgeron getting better while other coaches remain stagnant.

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Everyone is saying he's going to do the same job here he did at USC/ole miss.

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I don't think anyone thinks LSU will be OM bad or even close to it.

People want to use his interim record as a barometer, fine. What was O at USC, 6-2? What was he here, 6-2? Over the course of an entire season that's about an average of 9-3 on the high end, 8-4 on the low end. That's what I think we will be under his leadership. Even if you use his interim records which you guys tout so much, we still can't get to the championship caliber record that you guys are expecting from him.

I'm an empiricist by nature. I have to see something. I can't just lie to my brain like some are so adept at doing.

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I think you would agree that it's better that miles is gone and not get moses than to keep miles and get moses.

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But we didn't just miss out on Moses, we also missed on Buggs, Akers, and Allen. Now we lost a four star at a position of need (LB) to UGA. The OP claimed that Orgeron is essentially the epitome of successful recruiting. If that's true, I would expect to actually land some major new commits as NSD approaches, not merely maintain the existing commits. I still have hope that will happen. Won't judge the class until NSD.

More generally, if O is going to rely on elite, highly compensated coordinators to actually run both the offense and defense, then his primary (perhaps sole meaningful) contribution will be recruiting. Accordingly, he needs to be an elite recruiter to justify the millions we are paying him. I don't think that's an unfair expectation.

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But we didn't just miss out on Moses, we also missed on Buggs, Akers, and Allen. Now we lost a four star at a position of need (LB) to UGA. The OP claimed that Orgeron is essentially the epitome of successful recruiting. If that's true, I would expect to actually land some major new commits as NSD approaches, not merely maintain the existing commits. I still have hope that will happen. Won't judge the class until NSD.

More generally, if O is going to rely on elite, highly compensated coordinators to actually run both the offense and defense, then his primary (perhaps sole meaningful) contribution will be recruiting. Accordingly, he needs to be an elite recruiter to justify the millions we are paying him. I don't think that's an unfair expectatio

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Losing 2 recruits during an overhaul of a staff is a good job in todays recruiting. We dont know if Akers or Bugg was coming here so you cant just blame that on a a coach that has been on the job for a total of 1 month.

I don't think we give Miles enough credit. Yes he was fiercely loyal to some staffers (BFP/Cam) however he made some decisions for DC that left me impressed. I think his choice of Co's in 2008 was more about him not having a DC he liked and he saw Steele wasn't an option and moved on.
Even Can, when he was hired the board overall loved the move. It turned out he wasn't that good and Les was a great recruiter as well.

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I hope Orgeron is successful as our head coach and I will pull for him and his coaching staff the same way that I did for Miles and his staff. That being said, your last sentence about the loss being on the players is what sets me off. You can bet the house that a lot of these people putting the Florida loss on the players, would be placing ALL the blame on Miles if he had been the head coach for that game

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No doubt.

If we were to examine every loss during the Les Miles era, how many of them would be due to a player error, or the refs screwing LSU? There would be some. But what do people remember now? They don't remember the details of every loss. They think every loss was because of Miles bungling something or mismanaging the clock.

And that's what happens. History doesn't care how you lost the game, it's just going to register as a loss. Orgeron is responsible for his losses, just like Miles was responsible for all of his losses, no matter how they occurred.

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That is one truly ignorant kid, who is prone to knee-jerk reactions and not very much wisdom or intelligence. Just ignore Mo jeaux


Do you ever post anything that isnt a personal attack?

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No he hasn't. He's like a self declared "rant police". Lol