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re: Is Malik Nabors = Jamar Chase 2.0?
Posted on 8/24/22 at 8:18 am to Fat Bastard
Posted on 8/24/22 at 8:18 am to Fat Bastard
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he did not even break josh reeds record. just stop
I love Josh reed and all, but he is no chase. His record may have had a lot to do with not being on quite as talented of an offense as chase was
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Posted on 8/24/22 at 8:21 am to GreatLakesTiger24
He's not Jamar Chase but he's a kid who could turn into a 1st rounder and a monster for sure.
He may be the next great one but he won't be Chase. Just like Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, DJ Chark, Jarvis Landry, Odell, Micahel Clayton and Josh Reed are all different.
He may be the next great one but he won't be Chase. Just like Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase, DJ Chark, Jarvis Landry, Odell, Micahel Clayton and Josh Reed are all different.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 8:27 am to Fat Bastard
quote:Yeah he just broke NFL rookie receiving records after sitting out a year. He’s the most talented WR in school history easily
he did not even break josh reeds record. just stop.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 8:32 am to Tiger987
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Did you see who he was selected over in the 1st Round? Including the Heisman Winner?
For WR to go that high says a lot, without question.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 8:40 am to Fat Bastard
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he did not even break josh reeds record. just stop.
He did for the single season. Dude only played 24 games at WR at LSU. Roughly one more game (maybe 2) and he's Top 10 career. He's ONE game behind guys who played 10 to 20 more games than he did.
What you're saying is the equivalent of, "But...but...but...Burrow didn't break Tommy Hodson's career record."
Posted on 8/24/22 at 8:41 am to Townedrunkard
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Going into the draft last year, I had Chase as the best receiver coming out of college since Calvin Johnson.
Chase is very good but come on. There have been many that have been just as good coming out Julio Jones
Amari Cooper
Odell
Mike Evans
Blackmon
Posted on 8/24/22 at 8:43 am to WigSplitta22
None of those guys had the rookie season Chase did
Posted on 8/24/22 at 8:48 am to Ace Midnight
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He did for the single season.
Nah. Technically he is #1 on the single season list, but that's only because he and Reed plays on opposite sides of an arbitrary point where a decision was made to start counting bowl game stats for record purposes.
Reed's "season" was 12 regular season games where he got 1740, and then after that he got 60 against Tenn in the SECCG and the 239 against Illinois in the Sugar Bowl but those didn't count.
Chase's "season" where he got 1780 yards included all 15 games.
This post was edited on 8/24/22 at 8:54 am
Posted on 8/24/22 at 8:57 am to WigSplitta22
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Chase is very good but come on. There have been many that have been just as good coming out
Julio Jones
Amari Cooper
Odell
Mike Evans
Blackmon
Not sure if serious
Posted on 8/24/22 at 9:25 am to studentsect
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Nah. Technically he is #1 on the single season list, but that's only because he and Reed plays on opposite sides of an arbitrary point where a decision was made to start counting bowl game stats for record purposes.
We can do this forever. "So and so only played 12 games a season."
Chase and Reed are, head and shoulders, the best WRs in LSU history. Chase had a lot of physical gifts and maximized them. Reed (a converted running back) was a savant at the position, but it remains unexplainable how he could get so open against teams who talked shite during the week about how they were going to shut him down. Both shared the field with exceptional WR partners (Reed had Michael Clayton, Jerel Myers and Jack Hunt, while Chase had Jefferson, Marshall, McMath and Dillon). Both had TEs who took catches (Royal and Moss, respectively).
Chase played in a pass "happier" system with Burrow throwing. Reed had to catch from a plethora of QBs. Both were the #1 choice for their QBs and the #1 target of defenses.
But, if you're building a "fantasy" LSU team and can only take 1 of the 2, you take Chase. Period. Full stop.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 9:29 am to catfish 62
Chase legitimately could be the best receiver in the league this year, as a damn second year player. It's not fair to compare a college player to that.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 9:38 am to Ace Midnight
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We can do this forever. "So and so only played 12 games a season."
Chase and Reed are, head and shoulders, the best WRs in LSU history. Chase had a lot of physical gifts and maximized them. Reed (a converted running back) was a savant at the position, but it remains unexplainable how he could get so open against teams who talked shite during the week about how they were going to shut him down. Both shared the field with exceptional WR partners (Reed had Michael Clayton, Jerel Myers and Jack Hunt, while Chase had Jefferson, Marshall, McMath and Dillon). Both had TEs who took catches (Royal and Moss, respectively).
Chase played in a pass "happier" system with Burrow throwing. Reed had to catch from a plethora of QBs. Both were the #1 choice for their QBs and the #1 target of defenses.
But, if you're building a "fantasy" LSU team and can only take 1 of the 2, you take Chase. Period. Full stop.
I don't disagree with your underlying point that Chase would be the pick, but I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying about the stats.
The issue isn't that they played in a different number of games and therefore its hard to say what "so and so" would have done with extra games.
In 2001 Reed played in 13 games, but only 12 of them counted for purposes of season records, and in 2019 Chase played in 15 games, and all 15 games counted towards a season for records purposes. In those 13 games, Reed caught for more yards than Chase caught in his 15 games. The issue is that at some point between 2001 and 2019, the "single season receiving yards" statistic switched from a regular season stat to a full season stat that included bowl games, but the earlier numbers were not updated to account for the change in methodology.
We don't have to speculate about what Josh Reed would have with more than 12 games. We know, because he played in more than 12 games, and those stats were kept separately. It was 239 from Davey in the Sugar Bowl. But those yards are not included in Josh Reed's total for the "2001 season" because in 2001 a "season" did not include anything after the SEC Championship Game.
It's apples to oranges. We know how many yards each got in the regular season and how many each got in the post-season but for unclear reasons do not use the same metrics.
If there were separate statistics called "Regular Season Receiving Yards" and "Regular + Post-Season Receiving Yards" Josh Reed would lead in both, but instead we have a list where we use Josh Reed's number from the first category and Chase's number from the second.
This post was edited on 8/24/22 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 8/24/22 at 9:53 am to TexasTiger_08
Chase, Odell Beckham Jr. and Justin Jefferson . . .
Jarvis Landry, Wendell Davis, Michael Clayton, Eric Martin and Josh Reed all say Hi!
Jarvis Landry, Wendell Davis, Michael Clayton, Eric Martin and Josh Reed all say Hi!
Posted on 8/24/22 at 10:02 am to catfish 62
I think at this point LSU has shown we don't need the next anyone. We're the school that produces the guys that other players try to emulate. Every time we're looking for the "next" version of the last guy, someone new steps in an is even more dominant in a completely different manner. Its amazing to see honestly. We really cant even consider these guys generational anymore because not only have we had them back to back,most of the time we have more than one on the team at once! There is discussion about Nabors being as good as a top 5 pick and he's not even beat receiver on roster.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 10:49 am to Melvin
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Yeah he just broke NFL rookie receiving records
So did Justin Jefferson the year before.
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He’s the most talented WR in school history easily
Chase is probably the most talented—I think his strength separates him a bit—but Justin Jefferson walked right into the NFL and was immediately a top 10 WR himself. I think Boutte will too, though. It’s crazy he was able to put up the stats he has with Max throwing him the football. Also crazy that we’ve seen what he’s done, and he’s still somehow underrated by a lot of LSU fans, even in this thread.
Maybe even more crazy that, even with incredible run of WRs we’ve had the past 20+ years, the 3 most talented may wind up coming from the ‘20, ‘21, and ‘23 NFL draft classes. Depending on where Boutte winds up and who he has throwing him the football, LSU could have 3 of the top 10 WRs in the NFL in a couple of years. I actually think Kayshon is probably the 2nd best WR in LSU history behind Chase right now, a little above Jets and not that far behind Chase. That’s how good I think he is.
And I don’t think I’m using recency bias, either (I think 7 on 7s have these guys now much more polished and college and NFL ready almost as soon as they get there). Nor am I saying those 3 will have had the best LSU careers—that’s a different topic and Josh Reed would have to be #1 or 2 at worst. But pure talent I think it’s Chase, Boutte, and Jefferson. And Kayshon may be closer to Chase than Jefferson is to Kayshon.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 12:13 pm to Byrdybyrd05
Did we just compare Nabors to 2 of the top 5 WRs in the NFL?
Well, ok.
Well, ok.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 1:06 pm to Ace Midnight
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He did for the single season.
lol, no he didn't
Posted on 8/24/22 at 1:16 pm to studentsect
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The issue is that in 2001 Reed played in 14 games
13 games
Posted on 8/24/22 at 1:20 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
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13 games
You're right, I thought it was 12 plus SECCG and bowl. Turns out SECCG counts towards his stats, only bowl does not.
Posted on 8/24/22 at 3:22 pm to dj30
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Actually it was easy to see. Our moron coaches would just take him out after everytime he made a play his freshman season.
bullshite. He had a little over 300 yards. It was apparent he had talent but not 1st rd talent. He had not proven his ability to win almost every jump ball and an ability not get off the line every play.
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