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re: Is Firing Paul Mainieri Our Best Decision?
Posted on 5/11/21 at 12:50 pm to ccomeaux
Posted on 5/11/21 at 12:50 pm to ccomeaux
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Is 2021 not a real season to you ?
It's a real season, yes, but this season has been so bad it makes 2018 and 2019 look worse than they were when you use the metric "last 3 seasons." Hosting a regional and a super regional in 2019 is not a bad season. Being a 2 seed in a regional in 2018 is bad by our standards but also not a bad season in general. 2021 has been a bad season. It's intentionally misleading and unecessary to include 2018 and 2019 to try to bolster how far we've dropped in 2021. 2021 has been horrible and doesn't need additional data points to drive that home.
This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 12:52 pm
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Posted on 5/11/21 at 12:55 pm to sec13rowBBseat28
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I don’t want to see him fired...I do hope he retires after this season though. He looks tired and uninspired in the dugout.
Agree
Posted on 5/11/21 at 12:56 pm to lsufball19
you can't explain away a losing SEC record. You can slice it as 2 of the last 3 seasons or the last 3 seasons in total.
either way, it's unacceptable when you're signing top 5 classes.
We're now the 4th best program in the West, not the country.
wake up
either way, it's unacceptable when you're signing top 5 classes.
We're now the 4th best program in the West, not the country.
wake up
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:02 pm to ccomeaux
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you can't explain away a losing SEC record.
We've only had a losing SEC record in one of those seasons, though. I don't need to explain away anything. We are awful this year. We were not awful in 2019
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We're now the 4th best program in the West, not the country.
One season does not define a program
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wake up
I don't need to make 2018 and 2019 worse than they were to know Mainieri needs to go. Sorry if you feel you need to add those years in there
This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:05 pm to bull_moose
Lol this man wanted to keep Les too because he was the “winningest” football coach. Some of y’all are delusional
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:07 pm to lsufball19
2020 being canceled is saving you from having to defend that season, too. It wasn't going to be a winning season either. 
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:08 pm to ell_13
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2020 being canceled is saving you from having to defend that season, too.
Or maybe we're just having this discussion in May of last year and Paul isn't here in May of 2021
Me defending us not being bad in 2019 is not me arguing Paul needs to keep his job.
This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:12 pm to lsufball19
2019 is an odd year to defend though. We weren't supposed to host a super.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:20 pm to ell_13
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2019 is an odd year to defend though.
Is it? When we're discussing being terrible, a 2019 season where we were in a super regional doesn't really go into that pot.
I think you're trying to mischaracterize what I'm "defending." Saying 2019 wasn't a bad season is not defending Mainieri's job or anythinbg of the sort. It's just presenting things as they are. Like I said...I don't need to 2018 or 2019 to say his performance in 2021 is so bad it's time for a change.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:23 pm to lsufball19
I wouldn’t call it terrible but I would certainly include it as part of a decline argument.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:28 pm to ell_13
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I would certainly include it as part of a decline argument.
why?
2010 Regional
2011 Missed NCAAT
2012 Super Regional
2013 CWS
2014 Regional
2015 CWS
2016 Super Regional
2017 CWS
2018 Regional
2019 Super Regional
That seems pretty steady. Maybe steady in a way that is below the standards we want to accept here, but there hasn't been some noticeable decline for Paul, specifically, until this year when we fell off a proverbial cliff. Maybe that cataclysmic fall happens last year if the season didn't canceled but the season did get cancelled so it's kind of pointless to discuss.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:35 pm to bull_moose
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This Makes Me Want To Tiger Throw Up
Idk why this made me laugh so hard. Nobody said this verbatim
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:38 pm to lsufball19
You are focusing on one piece. We can look at each season as a whole from 2018 to now. The final result of 2019 got us through a very easy regional and hosting an easy FSU team that we weren’t supposed to host yet going 0-2. We were not nearly as good as those other Super teams.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:39 pm to bull_moose
Ha! Obvious trolling going on with this post. You and the sausage link guy are pretty bad at your shiny hooks!!
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:41 pm to bull_moose
Yes. Are u fricking kidding me with this question?
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:44 pm to lsufball19
2012 Super Regional 47-18 overall 19-11 SEC
2013 CWS 56-11 overall and 23-7 SEC
2014 Regional 46-16-1 overall and 17-11-1 SEC
2015 CWS 54-12 overall and 21-8 SEC
2016 Super Regional 45-21 overall and 19-11 SEC
2017 CWS 52-20 overall and 21-9 SEC
2018 Regional 39-27 overall and 15-15 SEC
2019 Super Regional 40-26 overall and 17-13 SEC2029
2020 no playoffs 12-5 overall
2021 ongoing 29-18 overall and 9-15 SEC
The trend is obvious. Since 2017 we haven’t won over 40 games.
Since 2017 we haven’t won over 17 SEC games. Prior to that wd were winning 45 or more and with one exception 19 or more in the SEC.
2013 CWS 56-11 overall and 23-7 SEC
2014 Regional 46-16-1 overall and 17-11-1 SEC
2015 CWS 54-12 overall and 21-8 SEC
2016 Super Regional 45-21 overall and 19-11 SEC
2017 CWS 52-20 overall and 21-9 SEC
2018 Regional 39-27 overall and 15-15 SEC
2019 Super Regional 40-26 overall and 17-13 SEC2029
2020 no playoffs 12-5 overall
2021 ongoing 29-18 overall and 9-15 SEC
The trend is obvious. Since 2017 we haven’t won over 40 games.
Since 2017 we haven’t won over 17 SEC games. Prior to that wd were winning 45 or more and with one exception 19 or more in the SEC.
This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:48 pm to ell_13
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The final result of 2019 got us through a very easy regional and hosting an easy FSU team that we weren’t supposed to host yet going 0-2. We were not nearly as good as those other Super teams.
Ok, so when looking at Paul career, how is 2019 worse than other seasons he's had? Was 2019 better than 2018? Was it much worse than 2016? If Paul had been going to Omaha every year then sure it would be a noticeable decline, but he's never been that guy. Paul's entire career has been peaks and valleys. The valleys didn't drop until this season.
I mean I'm talking to you, a guy that hasn't like Paul since like 2012, and you're trying to tell me there has been a noticeable decline starting in 2018? And if 2019 was better than 2018, how can that even be called a decline.
Sorry, it just seems like 2018 is the convenient starting point for "the decline" because we were the national runner up in 2017 and you can't start sooner (because it would sound ridiculous). But if you look at 2018, 2019, and this year, it's really not much different than 2010-2012. From 2010-2012, we were 46-44 in the SEC. Let's say we finish 13-17 in the SEC this year, our 3 year record would be 45-45. The issue is 2021 has been so incredibly bad, that 2018 and 2019 are put under an even larger miscroscope than before. But if we're being honest, 2018 and 2019 were not really outside the norm for Paul's career here.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:51 pm to doubleb
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Since 2017 we haven’t won over 40 games.
Because winning 40 and 39 games in 2018 and 2019 is so different if those seasons had been 41 win seasons?
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Prior to that wd were winning 45 or more and with one exception 19 or more in the SEC.
we won fewer than 19 SEC games in 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2014, 2018, and 2019, so about half of his seasons here
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:56 pm to lsufball19
The difference between 2018 and 2019 was minimal. 2 SEC games and a regional game. Overall, they were so damn similar. Neither team was consistent. Both teams were terrible on the road. 2020 you can ignore, but we couldn’t hit for shite Milazzo was batting 4th for fricks sake. We got no hit! No, we don’t know how exactly things were going to go, but it wasn’t going to be a CWS team. No chance.
When can a decline be discussed in your eyes? 4 years not enough? Should we wait 4 more? How long did we wait for Smoke?
We got no hit! No, we don’t know how exactly things were going to go, but it wasn’t going to be a CWS team. No chance. quote:Well, duh.
Sorry, it just seems like 2018 is the convenient starting point for "the decline" because we were the national runner up in 2017 and you can't start sooner (because it would sound ridiculous).
When can a decline be discussed in your eyes? 4 years not enough? Should we wait 4 more? How long did we wait for Smoke?
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:58 pm to lsufball19
quote:2007 and 2008 were rebuild years. We went to the CWS in 2008. 2010 and 2011 Paul admitted to getting lazy. What’s the excuse for 2018 and 2019 and 2021??
19 SEC games in 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011
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