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Inside Matt McMahon's Quick Rebuild of LSU Basketball

Posted on 5/23/22 at 9:07 am
Posted by Captain Crown
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Posted on 5/23/22 at 9:07 am
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Matt McMahon has somehow squeezed an entire offseason’s worth of work into a little over one month as LSU’s new head coach. The Tigers first year leader of the men’s basketball program had to build this 13 man roster from scratch in very little time and at least on paper, has exceeded most’s expectations of what was thought to be possible.

This was a program that saw 11 of its players enter the transfer portal and with some form of impending punishment on the way from the NCAA, for McMahon to make this a place players and coaches want to come to speaks to the vision he has for this program moving forward.

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While McMahon and this new regime of LSU basketball can’t control what could come with the NCAA investigation, the one area that is in the Tigers’ control is building a solid foundation for what this program’s future will look like. That first step was finding the right people, starting with the coaching staff and the players he wanted to be a part of this inaugural season.

“For us, the way we try to recruit is try to identify talented players. But then just to be very thorough, find the right fit, who’s gonna be all into the culture we’re building here,” McMahon said. “The sell is LSU, the SEC, player development, player investment. That’s the one thing that was really important to me in hiring our staff.”

McMahon wanted coaches who were well rounded and great at building relationships with not just the players but the players’ families as well. As LSU tries to establish a winning foundation in year one, having those strong relationships built over the next several months will only help in the transition on the court for practically a new roster.

“We’ll invest an unbelievable amount of time off the court to help those players maximize their opportunities here,” McMahon said. “With that player investment piece and the style of play we plan to incorporate is a fun way to play the game. It really allows talented players to showcase their skills within the framework of the team.”



Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 5/23/22 at 9:20 am to
I thought Wade's flip of the roster post JJ was impressive....but this trumped the hell out of that all things considered.
Posted by LSU_2017
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 5/23/22 at 9:24 am to
McMahon knows how to actually use a bank account.
Posted by MrJimBeam
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 5/23/22 at 9:25 am to
Great hire. I'm looking forward to the teams and culture he brings to LSU. Curious to see how year 1 plays out considering most people semi wrote it off considering the circumstances. Seems like a great time to be a tiger sports fan.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 5/23/22 at 9:26 am to
This summer will be very important for McMahon and his staff. Moreso OFF the court than on. He has to find a way to get a completely new team to gel. LSU has 6 transfers, 3 returning players, and 3 highly recruited freshman on the team. ALL, especially the transfers, are looking for significant minutes. You have to imagine the 3 Murray St. guys are close and feel like they have a leg up since they know the system. You have to think the 3 LSU guys are close since this is "their school and their team". The other 3 transfers didn't come to LSU to sit on the bench or get reduced PT relative to their prior schools. It's unlikely McMahon is going to have a 12 man rotation, so can he get all of these guys to buy in together as a TEAM even when some of the individual wants of the players can't be met? The basketball is the easy part. They can all play. Playing together will be the bigger challenge.

College basketball has changed where, essentially, coaches are having to mold drastically new teams each season because of the influx/outflux of players. Veteran players who transferred because they want something their prior school didn't offer (more PT, or a different role, or higher usage, etc) McMahon hasn't really had to do that yet because mid-major programs often develop guys over the course of multiple years. Then again, there were valid concerns about McMahon's ability to recruit at the major conf. level. He seemed to put those to rest very quickly.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 5/23/22 at 9:28 am to
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McMahon knows how to actually use a bank account.


There is no evidence of that.
Posted by MrJimBeam
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 5/23/22 at 9:29 am to
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This summer will be very important for McMahon and his staff. Moreso OFF the court than on. He has to find a way to get a completely new team to gel.


I don't know how this is any different than any other season in college basketball for the higher level teams. Roster turnover is yearly due to 1 and done and transfer portal. Hopefully this process works well for the multi year and 1 and done players. Unsure how much 1 and done McMahon had at Murray State but I'm guessing it will be higher at LSU.
This post was edited on 5/23/22 at 9:30 am
Posted by Bottom9
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Posted on 5/23/22 at 9:31 am to
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 5/23/22 at 9:31 am to
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McMahon knows how to actually use a bank account.


The unfortunate thing is that Wade may be one of the last coaches to get crucified for "improper payments". Had NIL been allowed for the majority of Wade's tenure there is ZERO doubt he would have worked relentlessly to secure the necessary resources to work to his advantage. But, 2, 3, 4 years ago was a completely different era in college sports.

McMahon seems to be a guy that has accepted the reality of college sports today (immediate transfers, NIL recruiting) rather than bitching about the difficulties of it relative to years past.
Posted by Alt26
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Posted on 5/23/22 at 9:45 am to
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I don't know how this is any different than any other season in college basketball for the higher level teams. Roster turnover is yearly due to 1 and done and transfer portal.


There is always some degree of turnover in college sports. But there are very few instances of THIS much turnover in one season (absent a few places like UK and others that fully bought in to the one-and-done players of years past) when compared to the era before the one-free-transfer rule. LSU has six (6) transfers joining the roster. That is among the highest number in the country. LSU also has a completely new staff. So it is not as if there is a well-entrenched system in place where new guys are coming into (like you had last year when LSU took 3 transfers). Virtually everything is new in the program. It's new for the transfers (completely new school and level of competition). It's new for the returning players (completely new staff and program demands). It's new for the incoming Freshmen (new to college basketball).

Now, LSU is far from the only school having to deal with those circumstances this year. Hell, they are far from from the only school in the SEC dealing with it (Georgia, Missouri, South Carolina, all have new HC's and significantly different rosters from last season. Same, but to a bit lesser extent, for Florida and Mississippi St.). But offseason team building is more important than ever. Wade talked about that a lot last summer...and there wasn't as much turnover in the program as this season. It is a different world from just two seasons ago
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
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Posted on 5/23/22 at 11:21 am to
I'm immune to fancy proclamations from new coaches.
I well remember the inspirational speeches given by Orgeron's new OC and DC prior to last season.
I was pumped.
Show me! Don't tell me how its going to be.
Posted by Captain Crown
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 5/23/22 at 11:24 am to
Posted by Tom Bronco
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 5/23/22 at 2:39 pm to
It's tough when you put together a good team but can't play them all. Wade really didn't like more than a 7 man rotation toward the end of the season. I think McMahon is going to have to go 8 or 9 deep to keep players happy. The other factor is can certain players separate themselves from the others so that there is no doubt as to who the starters should be.

Are the freshmen willing to wait a year until they make their mark? Are players who started last year going to be satisfied if they sink to the third guy off the bench? What kind of system McMahon tries to play on offense and defense will also determine who fits in the best. There are always question marks at this time of the year but never so many as now.
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
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Posted on 5/23/22 at 2:58 pm to
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thought Wade's flip of the roster post JJ was impressive....but this trumped the hell out of that all things considered.


Tbf, the open transfer thing wasn’t an option in Wade’s first year meaning he couldn’t have done what McMahon did.

McMahon also wouldn’t have had to do this either if the rule didn’t change cuz he’d have inherited most of the roster from Wade and most guys wouldn’t have transferred cuz they would have had to sit out.

Not to downplay this class cuz the haul still far exceeds any expectations I had and is EXTREMELY impressive.
This post was edited on 5/23/22 at 3:00 pm
Posted by Palm Beach Tiger
Orlando, Florida
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 5/23/22 at 3:02 pm to
Coach Mac has done an absolutely incredible job. I do think the fanbase is ahead of itself a little with expectations with such a newly formed “mixed bag” roster. I have gone from being completely blindsided with Wade’s exit to very hopeful of the future of LSU basketball
Posted by Genestealer55
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Posted on 5/23/22 at 3:34 pm to
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had to build this 13 man roster from scratch in very little time and at least on paper, has exceeded most’s expectations of what was thought to be possible.



Ya think?
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28383 posts
Posted on 5/23/22 at 3:56 pm to
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It's tough when you put together a good team but can't play them all. Wade really didn't like more than a 7 man rotation toward the end of the season. I think McMahon is going to have to go 8 or 9 deep to keep players happy. The other factor is can certain players separate themselves from the others so that there is no doubt as to who the starters should be.

Are the freshmen willing to wait a year until they make their mark? Are players who started last year going to be satisfied if they sink to the third guy off the bench? What kind of system McMahon tries to play on offense and defense will also determine who fits in the best. There are always question marks at this time of the year but never so many as now.


Correct. The three players that came with him from Murray St were all starters or guys getting significant PT. They likely would have remained such had they stayed at Murray St. And they are all three upperclassmen. They came to LSU because they want to compete at a higher level of competition. But I doubt they came to LSU looking to watch others compete at that level from the bench. They want to play big roles (if not start)

Then you have the 3 LSU players that stayed. All were very highly recruited out of HS. All looked to have solid transfer options while in the portal. Wilkinson was a starter last season. Miller, had he not been injured, would have been a starter. Williams is likely looking for more PT. I doubt any of those guys stayed to play reduced minutes in reduced roles. LSU was not their only options for next season.

You also have two upperclassmen transfers from other power conf. schools (Fountain and Hanyes). Both have played significant minutes in their careers but seemed to have fallen out of favor a bit with their old teams last year. I'm sure they transferred for an opportunity at a new start. An opportunity that likely doesn't have them playin 5 mpg or so. They want to play.

Finally, you have 3 highly recruited freshman. While we would love to think those guys would accept they may not get as much PT as they want this season while they develop into college players, the reality is many players don't see it that way. They likely want significant roles next season. If not, the transfer portal is always open.

While EVERY coach has to deal with the individual wants of 11, 12, 13 players each year, that task may be a bit more difficult for McMahon with everything being so new. 10 of the 13 players will just being enrolling at LSU for the first time this summer. The 3 returning players probably only met McMahon for the first time two months ago. He's going to have to get all of these individuals with individual wants and goals to come together as a TEAM and buy into a team concept, even if that concept does not quite mesh with the individual desires of each player when they chose to come to/stay at LSU.

Or to put it succinctly (something I'm often incapable of doing) these guys are going to have to learn to like each other first before they can become a good basketball TEAM
Posted by RidiculousHype
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Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 5/23/22 at 4:13 pm to
How good can this roster be? Are we talking NCAAT bubble? I figured we'd be last in the SEC after they let WW go.
Posted by LSUBadger
Member since Jan 2014
2238 posts
Posted on 5/23/22 at 4:56 pm to
He has accumulated a lot of experienced talent. Yet three of the freshmen have a lot of talent

The backcourt is overall a little bit short while the front court has an abundance of really long guys. Seems like a lot of full court press and fast rotations might be the plan.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28383 posts
Posted on 5/23/22 at 6:23 pm to
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How good can this roster be? Are we talking NCAAT bubble? I figured we'd be last in the SEC after they let WW go.


We won’t know fully until we see the schedule. But if the season started tomorrow LSU would likely be picked to finish 7th or 8th in the SEC.

There seems to be a consensus top 4: Arkansas, Kentucky, Tennessee and Auburn. The next two, Alabama and A&M, are teams people think SHOULD be good. But we still have to see them play. The next two, LSU and Florida, are looked at as teams that COULD be good. But with new HC’s and several new players there are still a lot of questions to be answered.

It’s unlikely the SEC would get 8 teams in the NCAAT. With so much new, a NCAAT berth shouldn’t be EXPECTED. But it is also not unreasonable to think LSU couldn’t be in the discussion at the end of the season.

Reasonable expectations IMO: Higher than going into Wade’s first season. Significantly less than going into Wade’s second season
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