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In the NC Game or Not-The Fix is In

Posted on 1/17/11 at 11:31 pm
Posted by TigerPaul2
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 1/17/11 at 11:31 pm
This is a serious problem for LSU, and the fix is already in. Boise State and TCU never earned a chance at the national title and yet they were ranked in the top four down to the wire. They simply did not earn it however talented they were. First, they chose to be in poor conferences (to avoid competition) and did not have to undergo grueling, significant bowl-type games such as occur most weeks in, for example, the SEC and the Big 10 (to a lesser extent). Second, does anyone believe that after playing 10 games against one another, Boise State would have beaten Auburn as many as five times? Three times? Once? Maybe once. TCU? Hard to say precisely how many games TCU would have won. Five? Not a chance despite Auburn hypothetically losing one SEC game.

The root of the problem is bias grounded in the principle of nondiscrimination. Boise State and TCU have been fielding excellent teams for some years now, and they have been discriminated against because of their backgrounds, their conferences. (The dominant Media thinks in terms of discrimination, an evil idea to the Media.) It just isn’t fair, so thinks the Media, that establishment conference leaders (in the Big 10, SEC, Big 12, and Pac 10) are better. The unprincipled exception to the nondiscrimination principle is affirmative action, which the Media cannot admit undermines the primary principle. Therefore, the Media couched affirmative-action type arguments in favor of Boise State and TCU in terms of, “We’re searching for the best team .” Or the Media used the root “deserve” and gave some rational though inadequate reasons
Posted by blackjackjackson
fourth dimension
Member since May 2008
7684 posts
Posted on 1/17/11 at 11:40 pm to
good thoughts tigerpaul. good writing.

but, it's just one game at a time. it worked out this year and it will again.

the press has tried to hold the sec down for 100 years and now w/ the bcs, the sec/lsu is doing ok.

somehow the bullshite gets washed away.
Posted by geaux88
Northshore, LA
Member since Oct 2003
16355 posts
Posted on 1/17/11 at 11:40 pm to
Dude, let's just get past Feb 2nd.....OK?
Posted by D011ahbi11
Member since Jun 2007
13678 posts
Posted on 1/17/11 at 11:54 pm to
quote:

they chose to be in poor conferences (to avoid competition)

Simply not true. Seeing that TCU is joining the Big Eeast in 2012 I think they'd love to be in a BCS Conference and I'm sure Boise would as well. They arent part of those conferences because they werent invited.
I'm not really sure what you're trying to get at Paul, but anyway I'd like to share some of Mark Cubans blog posts on the BCS and his ideas for a playoff system. Not sure if any of you have read these but they are pretty interesting.
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Posted by The Eric
Member since Sep 2008
24103 posts
Posted on 1/18/11 at 12:05 am to
Boise state has horrible education and no other sports. They will always be a mid-major.

I am sure xiv would have something to say but with Louisiana tech looking to build their research facility, I would bet on them getting a big invite before boise.(disclaimer: never said tech would move up just that the research facilities would help since big conferences like that)
Posted by D011ahbi11
Member since Jun 2007
13678 posts
Posted on 1/18/11 at 12:14 am to
I never said they deserved to be in a Bcs conference. I just said it's not really their choice to be in the WAC.
Posted by DocJerome
New Jersey
Member since Aug 2009
887 posts
Posted on 1/18/11 at 12:22 am to
Way out of line with the veiled discrimination analogy. Your point could have been valid if it were not for disdainful anti-racial equality rant. This post is a total fail.
Posted by LSUbrees
MS
Member since Sep 2004
2290 posts
Posted on 1/18/11 at 12:51 am to
I don't think Boise or TCU chose to be in the conference they are in. TCU is going to the Big Least so that is a step up. I am sure Boise would jump at the chance to be in the Big 10 or 12. They are just playing the cards that they are dealt. Boise plays BCS out of conference games (Oregon and Va Tech) so they are not skipping competition.
Posted by yurintroubl
Dallas, Tx.
Member since Apr 2008
30190 posts
Posted on 1/18/11 at 1:10 am to
quote:

First, they chose to be in poor conferences (to avoid competition)


I stopped reading after that bit right there.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161245 posts
Posted on 1/18/11 at 1:11 am to
Posted by TigerPaul2
Member since Oct 2008
300 posts
Posted on 1/18/11 at 10:29 pm to
Glad to oblige. Nondiscrimination means higher quality programs will not be allowed to exclude lower quality programs.

The post was not about whether Boise State was invited to join a major conference or whether it has continually refused to play several upper tier teams every year regardless of whether the games were played at home or away. The post was about the threat that the dominant Media’s primary principle of nondiscrimination poses to teams such as LSU, which plays at least six upper-tier teams away every year. Every year Boise State has the opportunity to play several upper-tier teams away but refuses to do so.

And the Big East is not what one thinks of as a major conference. In my view, every conference should have a minimum of 12 members and a playoff game to qualify for a BCS bowl. If you want to run with the big boys, you have to be willing to lose. No guaranteed outcomes.

The more I read about a playoff system among Division I teams, the less attractive a playoff system appears. So I gave up on the idea some years ago. It is an intellectual morass. There are huge problems to overcome. A starting point is the BCS’s own site. (My idea, by the way, lessens the justifications for a playoff system.)

And as always, anyone that opposes nondiscrimination as a primary principle will be called names. So be careful of agreeing with me. It is helpful for LSU fans (and the public in general) to understand why the talking heads and other members of the establishment keep voting for the Boise State’s and TCU’s. Nondiscrimination is pervasive.
Posted by St Augustine
The Pauper of the Surf
Member since Mar 2006
70776 posts
Posted on 1/18/11 at 10:33 pm to
Dude if you don't think Boise would JUMP at the shot to be in any geographically appropriate BCS conference...you're nuts.
Posted by CLDuck
Portland
Member since Jul 2010
145 posts
Posted on 1/19/11 at 12:58 am to
The only geographically appropriate conference is the PAC12 and Boise just doesn't make the cut as far as being a research institution or many other academic standards that other PAC12 teams have to meet. Boise has a 30,000 seat stadium. Do you want that non-payday? We don't either and our stadiums are smaller than yours for the most part. Boise won't ever be part of the PAC12.
Posted by Mephistopheles
Member since Aug 2007
8394 posts
Posted on 1/19/11 at 1:00 am to
quote:

First, they chose to be in poor conferences (to avoid competition)


Actually in the past year both have tried to move into stronger conferences, they can't just do it overnight (and Boise fricked it up but that's another matter).
Posted by TigerPaul2
Member since Oct 2008
300 posts
Posted on 1/19/11 at 10:20 pm to
There is nothing complex about scheduling tough teams. You simply agree to meet them face to face on their own turf. Become an independent, if that is what it takes. It is a refusal to compete. It is not rocket science. Horrific blue turf is not going to get you anywhere anyhow.
Posted by OldSarge38
VacherieBay City
Member since Nov 2009
477 posts
Posted on 1/19/11 at 11:14 pm to
Boise plays BCS out of conference games (Oregon and Va Tech) so they are not skipping competition.
Thats one game a year. Try playing 8 games against SEC teams. Then they'd have something to talk about.
Posted by LSUdubai
Dubai, UAE
Member since Oct 2010
266 posts
Posted on 1/19/11 at 11:44 pm to
If they CHOOSE to play in poor conferences, then why are they both changing? If you aren't aware, getting into the SEC is not as simple as wishing to do so. Lame statement.



What does playing 10 games against one another have to do with anything? It never happens and is irrelevant. You get ONE game. That's why all aspects are important: offense, defense, ST, coaching, game planning, etc.



Auburn would have murdered Boise in one game, yes. In an SEC grind Boise would have a losing effort, yes. Don't make irrelevant statements. TCU would fare better, but they would definitely not be undefeated.
Posted by TigerPaul2
Member since Oct 2008
300 posts
Posted on 1/19/11 at 11:48 pm to
The fundamental facts are being taught, thanks to Sarge and the others. Hopefully, the larger point will be understood, even if not accepted.
Posted by TigerPaul2
Member since Oct 2008
300 posts
Posted on 1/20/11 at 12:15 am to
A belated thank you to BlackJack. The times they have been "a changed." Nondiscrimination is the primary principle today. History aint't going to wash away the errors of today. Knowledge of history and fighting back is your only chance.
Posted by xiv
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Member since Feb 2004
39508 posts
Posted on 1/20/11 at 1:11 am to
TigerPaul2, what you fail to realize is that more often than not, the middie-of-the-week is ranked higher in the computers than in the human polls. So, if the fix is in, it's a fix against the schools you mention. This year, TCU was tied for #2 in the computers, but they were #3 in the polls. That means that the only reason that they weren't in the BCS title game was because voters thought that Oregon deserved it more. Where's the fix?

Year - Top-rated Non-AQ school - Poll avg. - Computer avg.
2010 - TCU - 3 - 2
2009 - TCU - 3 - 5
2008 - Utah - 7 - 5
2007 - Hawaii - 10 - 14
2006 - Boise State - 9 - 7
2005 - TCU - 21.5 - 17
2004 - Utah - 9.5 - 4
2003 - NIU - 10 - 8.5

Only twice in the past eight seasons has the top middie been ranked higher in the polls than in the computers. Sorry, but your point is not well thought-out.
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