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re: In retrospect this team probably overachieved
Posted on 11/28/18 at 10:08 am to Lester Earl
Posted on 11/28/18 at 10:08 am to Lester Earl
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Lester Earl
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dumb fricking post
Yep.
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Posted on 11/28/18 at 10:12 am to Lester Earl
I can say the same to you.
but keep lowering that bar, buddy.
but keep lowering that bar, buddy.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 10:17 am to Powerman
“ exceeded expectations”
That’s open to personal expectations and we all have our own. Mine is different than yours. I didn’t say the team didn’t have a good season and I didn’t say anyone needed to be fired and I didn’t say the players don’t deserve credit.
9 wins doesn’t exceed my expectations for LSU football or for this team. That doesn’t mean I’m right, I’m just expressing my personal opinion.
It’s also my personal opinion that three years after a coaching change my expectations were for more than 9-3, 5-3 and a offense that’s not as good today as it was 3 years ago. I don’t think that should be hard for anyone to understand and I don’t think it’s expecting too much from LSU.
That’s open to personal expectations and we all have our own. Mine is different than yours. I didn’t say the team didn’t have a good season and I didn’t say anyone needed to be fired and I didn’t say the players don’t deserve credit.
9 wins doesn’t exceed my expectations for LSU football or for this team. That doesn’t mean I’m right, I’m just expressing my personal opinion.
It’s also my personal opinion that three years after a coaching change my expectations were for more than 9-3, 5-3 and a offense that’s not as good today as it was 3 years ago. I don’t think that should be hard for anyone to understand and I don’t think it’s expecting too much from LSU.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 10:17 am to Mo Jeaux
wait til the raise and extension come.
4 MORE YEARS!!!!! (and I aint talking politics)
4 MORE YEARS!!!!! (and I aint talking politics)
Posted on 11/28/18 at 10:17 am to Lester Earl
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That makes no sense, what a dumb fricking post
I thought it was pretty clear.
Getting talent to campus is on the staff. You cannot simultaneously congratulate the staff on getting a team who was more talented than 10 teams on the schedule to 9 wins without criticizing them for not getting the talent on campus, particularly when the HC was the recruiting coordinator.
This post was edited on 11/28/18 at 10:18 am
Posted on 11/28/18 at 10:19 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Based on fricking what?
Look at our schedule and tell me who was more talented than us - Alabama.
Tell me who was on par with our talent - UGA.
Tell me who had inferior talent - everyone else.
That's been the case for a decade.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 10:24 am to slackster
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a team who was more talented than 10 teams on the schedule
Talent comparison with Georgia, Florida, and A&M is essentially a wash. I'm guessing you're throwing us a bone and saying Georgia is better?
Miami and Auburn are close, but I'd give LSU the edge on em.
I will say, our "talent" on the O line is seriously suspect. Some of that's due to unfortunate circumstance, most of it is due to coaches/recruiting, current and former. That needs to be a focus for improvement going forward, no doubt.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 10:25 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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never sniffed an NY6 bowl (or equivalent at the time).
That’s not entirely true, it wasn’t the last game so not as clear maybe as this year but in 2015 the OM loss cost us the Sugar Bowl, and OM went instead for those acting like OM is the same now as then
Posted on 11/28/18 at 10:26 am to slackster
Again, based on what? You are just spitballing with nothing to back it up.
I can buy your Alabama and Georgia opinion, although Georgia probably has more talent. I think homefield played a role in our game.
Any differences in talent between us Florida/A&M are minimal and negated by homefield advantage.
I saw zero areas of personnel where we were noticeably more talented than A&M.
If you are basing this off recruiting rankings, then you are a legit moron.
I can buy your Alabama and Georgia opinion, although Georgia probably has more talent. I think homefield played a role in our game.
Any differences in talent between us Florida/A&M are minimal and negated by homefield advantage.
I saw zero areas of personnel where we were noticeably more talented than A&M.
If you are basing this off recruiting rankings, then you are a legit moron.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 10:27 am to slackster
O pumpers don't believe that a team with "less talent" can possibly beat a team with "more talent".
Posted on 11/28/18 at 10:33 am to Y.A. Tittle
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I'm guessing you're throwing us a bone and saying Georgia is better?
Yes. Otherwise, I'm giving LSU the edge in the other 10 matchups. We can pick and choose where that talent is - OL, DB, WR, etc., but the fact of the matter is each team has it's strength and weaknesses, but on the whole, LSU is better than those teams.
Look, teams lose to inferior talent across the country. Saban has done it and Ohio State makes an annual occurrence out of it - and usually to a mediocre to bad team. I don't think this was a bad season, but it wasn't a good season either.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 10:35 am to slackster
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I don't think this was a bad season, but it wasn't a good season either.
It probably leans closer to good than outright bad, but I generally agree. We should be better than this.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 10:39 am to Dave England
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O pumpers don't believe that a team with "less talent" can possibly beat a team with "more talent".
The talent argument has gotten absolutely ridiculous.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 10:41 am to Powerman
Overachieved? Overachieved. Really?!
LSU hasn't overachieved in over a decade. The one year when their offensive production matched their talent they happen to have their defense underperform their talent for the first time in the years before or since.
Since 2007 LSU has averaged the #8 recruiting class in the nation. Since 2007 LSU has averaged #78 offense in the nation. That's a giant discrepancy and the definition of underachievement.
Captain Orgeron is an expert at excusing his way into low expectations. If you set the bar low enough you'll always overachieve. Typical government employee.
Both Captain Orgeron and Less Smiles drive Ferraris in the slow lane and put 86 octane in the tank, $5 at a time.
frick both of them for their continued historic and unmatched underachieving offensive shitshow.
LSU hasn't overachieved in over a decade. The one year when their offensive production matched their talent they happen to have their defense underperform their talent for the first time in the years before or since.
Since 2007 LSU has averaged the #8 recruiting class in the nation. Since 2007 LSU has averaged #78 offense in the nation. That's a giant discrepancy and the definition of underachievement.
Captain Orgeron is an expert at excusing his way into low expectations. If you set the bar low enough you'll always overachieve. Typical government employee.
Both Captain Orgeron and Less Smiles drive Ferraris in the slow lane and put 86 octane in the tank, $5 at a time.
frick both of them for their continued historic and unmatched underachieving offensive shitshow.
This post was edited on 11/28/18 at 10:44 am
Posted on 11/28/18 at 10:41 am to Mo Jeaux
It's one of the only cards they have left and will be gone after this year since O will have three full classes as head coach to go along with a fourth class as recruiting coordinator.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 10:42 am to Mo Jeaux
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The talent argument has gotten absolutely ridiculous.
It's certainly pretty silly to try to look to marginal differences in overall talent (which is what this is for the most part) to try to push a particular narrative one way or the other.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 10:44 am to Y.A. Tittle
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It probably leans closer to good than outright bad, but I generally agree. We should be better than this.
The defense had the potential to be awesome. Instead, it was pretty good. That's disappointing. The offense was always going to struggle, given that it was replacing virtually all of its skill player production plus almost the entire offensive line. Even a great OC would have struggled this year, and Ensminger is not a great OC.
I think based on this year's roster and schedule, this particular team slightly overachieved and I'm happy with the results. But next year's expectations are a lot higher because they won't have the same excuse of "replacing almost all your offensive personnel." You get to play that card once. And you still need to win 8-10 games, which he did.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 10:48 am to Lester Earl
“Miles defender”
Our 9-3, 5-3 performance in 2015 didn’t exceed my expectations for LSU football anymore than the 9-3, 5-3 performances this year. The 10 L’s in Miles last 2 yrs and 4 games was not acceptable for LSU football. His lack of producing a more productive offense was not anymore acceptable than the one we have 3 yrs later.
You really need to get better material. The stuff you were throwing out now it’s pretty old and just plain silly.
Our 9-3, 5-3 performance in 2015 didn’t exceed my expectations for LSU football anymore than the 9-3, 5-3 performances this year. The 10 L’s in Miles last 2 yrs and 4 games was not acceptable for LSU football. His lack of producing a more productive offense was not anymore acceptable than the one we have 3 yrs later.
You really need to get better material. The stuff you were throwing out now it’s pretty old and just plain silly.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 10:58 am to slackster
The talent narrative is based on bama alone & competing with them alone. This team overall is very talented, but there are a few pockets that lack & other pockets that were just outright young & inexperienced. This is evidenced in the way lsu went to to toe with every other team the schedule.
To try & string that into a sentence about overachieving is weak & desperate at best.
And I don’t think this team over achieved. They met my expectations as well as most of the rational general public. This team is talented. I don’t know how you extremists get along in life.
To try & string that into a sentence about overachieving is weak & desperate at best.
And I don’t think this team over achieved. They met my expectations as well as most of the rational general public. This team is talented. I don’t know how you extremists get along in life.
This post was edited on 11/28/18 at 11:00 am
Posted on 11/28/18 at 11:06 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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can buy your Alabama and Georgia opinion, although Georgia probably has more talent. I think homefield played a role in our game. Any differences in talent between us Florida/A&M are minimal and negated by homefield advantage.
So we were 0-2 vs teams with equal talent and 1-1 vs teams with more talent.
Obviously not good regardless.
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