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re: I'm so tired of hearing about scheme.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 3:53 pm to dos crystal
Posted on 11/8/15 at 3:53 pm to dos crystal
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Tennessee got 14 points we got 16. Tennessee has lost 9 straight to them. Ok let's switch to Tennessee scheme!
You idiot what does that have to do with it. Point is those teams don't have any trouble finding ways to generate offense while we look lost and confused every time we play them because our coaches can't even find ways to get a first down half the time. At one point they had more first downs than we had yards. Keep burying your head in the sand making excuses and defending this garbage philosophy and keep being disappointed every year.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 3:55 pm to Topwater Trout
Scheme is important, yes. But its not the only thing. If you recruit to your strengths then you can keep your brand of football. That is what we are doing right now. We are focusing 100% on recruiting to fit needs on D and O. LSU must have dominant line play to play against Bama. Last night actually proved that once more.
In addition, Grimes needs to change his preparation when we play vs Bama. Our OL did not mentally prepare themselves and Grimes did not have that unit where it needed to be. Granted, IMHO, this is the only egg he and his unit laid all year. They got hit in the mouth and could not get back up to fight back.
In addition, Grimes needs to change his preparation when we play vs Bama. Our OL did not mentally prepare themselves and Grimes did not have that unit where it needed to be. Granted, IMHO, this is the only egg he and his unit laid all year. They got hit in the mouth and could not get back up to fight back.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 6:58 pm to PortCityTiger82
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You idiot what does that have to do with it. Point is those teams don't have any trouble finding ways to generate offense while we look lost and confused every time we play them because our coaches can't even find ways to get a first down half the time
It has everything to do with it. You are arguing Tennessee scheme generates offense against bama. 14 points of offense. They have lost 9 straight to bama. They have had cutcliff, kiffin, Dooley, and jones. FOUR different schemes. None produced big points or yardage. All produced losses. Yet I'm the idiot because I don't see Tennessee scheme as something lsu could use to beat bama. All that scheming Tennessee is doing is producing more losses than wins. Yeah, let's go to that.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 7:12 pm to dos crystal
Just face it...Les' 3 yards and a cloud of dust dinosaur offense doesn't work against Bama...while alot of other teams try to exploit Bama's weaknesses and have success doing so....We only have 1 scheme and Saban knows it...it is an embarrassment to pay a Coaching staff this much for the same shite plan every game.
Would a home builder have much success if he built the same house for each customer regardless of what they need?? Or a florist, if they made the same arrangement, or an auto manufacturer with one model in one color????? Of course not, but that is EXACTLY what Les does. He's pounding that square peg in that round hole no matter what....
Would a home builder have much success if he built the same house for each customer regardless of what they need?? Or a florist, if they made the same arrangement, or an auto manufacturer with one model in one color????? Of course not, but that is EXACTLY what Les does. He's pounding that square peg in that round hole no matter what....
Posted on 11/8/15 at 7:14 pm to PortCityTiger82
I'm sure everyone here knows when you're inferior to your opponent you better be smarter. We were neither. They are bigger, faster, have more depth, and appeared to be much better prepared. That was straight up embarrassing.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 7:17 pm to The Pirate King
quote:That was not Les, that was Chavis. Prior to Chavis, we had big beasties on defense, and played Bama to a more physical level.
Les and Co. Recruit smaller, faster players over bigger and stronger. It's a recruiting SCHEME.
Chavis brought in the scheme with the 250 lb defensive ends and the 215 lb linebackers. At it's absolute best (2011) it was able to gum up Bama's attack, and limit them to FGs. In the first game their defense limited our offense, but it went to OT, and eventually we broke through. In the rematch we couldn't keep it tied, and never broke through. They still only got 5 FGs and a late TD, it could have been far worse.
2013 we were able to hang with them 1 half, then they ran all over us and ground the team to dust. Same thing happened last night, as we were able to fight back enough that we made it close at the half.
We don't know what Steele's defense will look like until he can get his players; I'm guessing he will probably want bigger guys at the D line and linebacker. We have neither the size nor the depth to be anything beyond servicable at this point.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 7:30 pm to Tigahs24Seven
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...while alot of other teams try to exploit Bama's weaknesses and have success doing so....We only have 1 scheme and Saban knows it..
Who is having all this success against bama? In saban's 10 years he has has lost to lsu 3 times, Au 3 times, Florida 1, ATM 1, ole miss 2, Mississippi state 1. Outside the sec Oklahoma 1, Utah 1, Ohio state 1. Please tell me who we should model that has had so much more success with their scheme?
Posted on 11/8/15 at 7:34 pm to dos crystal
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Scheme didn't allow bama to control the ball for ten minutes more.
It certainly didn't hurt.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 7:35 pm to dos crystal
Most of the teams you mentioned have far less talent than we do ...just look at NFL rosters. So to compare them as our equals in relation to wins against Bama is retarded.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 7:37 pm to dos crystal
Why would 28 people downvote this thread.
Op is 100% right.
Op is 100% right.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 7:46 pm to Topwater Trout
So tell me exactly which plays are going to work consistently when your O-line is getting its stool pushed in every play? Even elite NFL quarterback's can't do anything when their O-line is getting dominated.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 7:46 pm to Topwater Trout
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Most of the teams you mentioned have far less talent than we do ...just look at NFL rosters. So to compare them as our equals in relation to wins against Bama is retarded.
Ok, so who's scheme should we model topwater? If it's scheme and there are teams scheme having success against bama, then tell me the one we should model so we will win most of the time against bama as well as everyone else.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 7:48 pm to Makinbacon
quote:They have been drinking the Kool Aid so long that they refuse to think anything is wrong when LSU was the least spread offense in the nation in 2014 - having had the least one on one solo tackles. As Dupre said "It is no secret. You stop our run game, you win."
Why would 28 people downvote this thread.
Op is 100% right.
"There are a few teams that are truly able to run what is considered a legitimate multiple offense. The 2014 version of the Crimson Tide is an example of this. Combine an ages-long tradition of multiple tight end sets and a heavy emphasis on running the football with a new age coordinator and dual threat quarterback, and suddenly you've got an offense capable of both spreading the ball around at a quick tempo and also chewing up the clock with momentum-killing doses of pounding the rock." This is what Cameron installed in the Spring and Summer with Harris and it got lost in the Heisman shuffle.
"The most common sight on any NFL Sunday is now the preferred 11 Personnel out of Shotgun. In layman's terms, there is one running back, one tight end (thus the 11), and three wide receivers." aka the ProStyle Spread.
This post was edited on 12/1/15 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 11/8/15 at 7:48 pm to dos crystal
scheme works against lesser teams
it sucks against alabama
it's not changing
it sucks against alabama
it's not changing
Posted on 11/8/15 at 7:50 pm to irnfan
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Even elite NFL quarterback's can't do anything when their O-line is getting dominated.
what about screens...draws... quick slants...?
Posted on 11/8/15 at 7:52 pm to dos crystal
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Who is having all this success against bama?
Hell, Tennessee did it just last week....if they had our talent they would have won. I can cite MANY examples just like that in the very recent pasr...not to mention what Ohio State did last year with their what, third starting QB.....come on!
Posted on 11/8/15 at 7:56 pm to monsterballads
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scheme works against lesser teams it sucks against alabama it's not changing
Who's scheme is working against bama and other teams? We need to know so we can go to it and not lose to anyone. Please let us know, we have to get this winning scheme. No one will be able to stop us!
Posted on 11/8/15 at 8:02 pm to Tigahs24Seven
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Hell, Tennessee did it just last week....if they had our talent they would have won
We are back on Tennessee. Thank you for making my point. And if lsu had Alabama talent they would win. Tenn. scheme isn't the winner. 14 points total. It's talent. We must win in February to win in November. We have lost the trenches in February.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 8:11 pm to dos crystal
Agree to an extent, but it's not how it once was back 30 years ago when everyone either ran a pro-style (Most teams), triple-option threat (Oklahoma and the Brewer-led Ole Miss teams), Run n shoot (South Carolina), or a veer attack (Florida State, Nebraska, and a few others mainly on the Atlantic coast). 90 percent of the teams ran I-formation, 2 wides, and minus Oklahoma, those teams won the championships from '85 to '95.
Bobby Bowden did once say, "Get the hosses and it doesn't matter what scheme you run." Today's game cannot just apply that quote and game over. If that were the case, Texas and USC and Florida and Alabama/LSU would be in the final 4 every year.
While recruiting classes are huge, your scheme is, too. A 5 star QB can come to LSU and he's not going to be an all-accolades American like he was in high school.
Bobby Bowden did once say, "Get the hosses and it doesn't matter what scheme you run." Today's game cannot just apply that quote and game over. If that were the case, Texas and USC and Florida and Alabama/LSU would be in the final 4 every year.
While recruiting classes are huge, your scheme is, too. A 5 star QB can come to LSU and he's not going to be an all-accolades American like he was in high school.
Posted on 11/8/15 at 8:20 pm to monsterballads
Those will work on occasion, get you a first down or two, but you can't live on that. The drives will still stall. And even those won't work if your O-line is getting completely blown out.
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