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re: I’m good with putting all finances towards football and baseball

Posted on 3/16/25 at 12:47 pm to
Posted by polarbear6
Member since Mar 2011
644 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 12:47 pm to
Well to start if we look at 4 schools similar to ours in Alabama , Auburn , Florida , and Tennessee . All four are considered “ football schools “ , and they all have current teams ranked in the top 25 in baseball and all four have highly competitive basketball programs that expect to get in the tournament every year . Auburn and Alabama for example had inconsistent basketball programs for years before they decided to “ invest “ in great coaches and have taken off ever since. And they did that and are still competitive in both baseball and football
Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
44840 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 12:54 pm to
Auburn isn't good in football. NIL made them worse.

Tennessee football was pretty terrible for most of past 20 years.

And Alabama baseball hasn't been to CWS in 25 years

So your list has us down to 1 or 2 nationally.
This post was edited on 3/16/25 at 12:57 pm
Posted by polarbear6
Member since Mar 2011
644 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 1:01 pm to
Auburn and Tennessee are both football schools that are competitive in baseball and basketball . That’s what this whole topic is about and what people can’t seem to realize LSU can also do instead of picking baseball or basketball . It’s not a either / or it’s a want to be good at both which is very achievable while still realizing football will get most of the attention
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60764 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 1:06 pm to
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Not if you only have the money to compete in 2 of 3


That’s the false choice, there’s no reason you can’t be competitive in all 3. Right now, this spring LSU is competitive in at least 4 non revenue producing sports, baseball, WBB, softball and gymnastics if you can be competitive in those you could be competitive in MBB which actually generates revenue
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60764 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 1:15 pm to
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Here are two irrefutable facts.


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and I don’t give a shite how long SW takes to do it. It’s low priority. I’m a bigger WBB than MBB fan anyway.


I think it’s obvious you don’t know what the word facts mean. What sports you prefer are irrelevant. Men’s basketball makes money saying a “low priority” is leaving money on the table.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
72008 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 1:22 pm to
frick that
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
72008 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 1:23 pm to
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True. Here are two irrefutable facts.


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2) MBB will be fixed one day and I don’t give a shite how long SW takes to do it. It’s low priority. I’m a bigger WBB than MBB fan anyway.

How is this a fact? Lol
Posted by misey94
Member since Jan 2007
32986 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 1:27 pm to
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I promise you 75% of national sports fans have no clue who won in Omaha last year, while 99% know who won football and men's basketball last.


College Baseball is the fastest growing and most watched men’s sport outside of Football and Basketball. It’s FAR less regional than Hockey and Lacrosse, which we don’t participate in. Everything else (track, soccer, golf, tennis) just is what it is at this point. It’s worth continuing to invest in a growth sport that we are already successful in.

All of the arguments to cut sports or cut funding are reactionary. LSU can succeed in Men’s Basketball without doing that. The sports we are currently highly successful in, Baseball, Women’s Hoops and Gymnastics (with others like Softball and Track also pulling their weight), bring positive PR for LSU and the athletic department. Yes, Football and Men’s Hoops need to be the focus from a money standpoint, but there’s no reason to be stupid and throw the baby out with the bath water.
This post was edited on 3/16/25 at 1:56 pm
Posted by TJG210
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2006
29279 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 1:31 pm to
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This is the answer that should end all these dumb Woodward/basketball threads.


Christ, people in this state are beyond retarded. First basketball cost heaps more baseball, so it’s not an either/or proposition. Also, basketball has the ability to bring in millions more in profit/revenue, why the frick would you ignore that?
Pouring much more into a sport that loses money is stupid.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60764 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 1:34 pm to
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Auburn isn't good in football. NIL made them worse.


They won one and played for another National Title in the last 15 years they may be down at the moment but that’s just recency bias.

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Tennessee football was pretty terrible for most of past 20 years.


So?

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And Alabama baseball hasn't been to CWS in 25 years


The ole all or nothing fallacy. They were in the supers 2 years ago.
Posted by timlan2057
In the Shadow of Tiger Stadium
Member since Sep 2005
19692 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 1:37 pm to
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You pretty much get a perfect look at the basketball fans on tRant every time we play a game. Bunch of whiny, annoying little geeks who don’t even care about LSU. I’d be completely fine with not even having a basketball program and eliminating that contingent from the fanbase


Exactly. And most all of them are the biggest shite posters on the football threads who get their asses kicked because of their colossal stupidity.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
66509 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 1:37 pm to
Because that portion of the fan base puts feelings over reality. They like baseball so to hell with all the money that funds everything. It’s like explaining finance to children.
Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
44840 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 1:39 pm to
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And Alabama baseball hasn't been to CWS in 25 years

The ole all or nothing fallacy. They were in the supers 2 years ago.


Just asking for a single top 8 in last 25 years isn't "all or nothing"

No, that would 't fly at LSU. Not even close
This post was edited on 3/16/25 at 1:42 pm
Posted by misey94
Member since Jan 2007
32986 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 1:40 pm to
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I don’t think LSU has given up on basketball in the sense that they just don’t care at all, but really doesn’t make financial sense to buy MM out and spin the coaching wheel again unless you have a guaranteed winner locked in ( one could argue we did but I digress)


I wonder if they are hoping for a proven coach to shake loose somewhere (Don’t bother saying Wade because he isn’t coming back). Ole Myth lucked into Beard. Auburn into Pearl. St John’s got Pittno pretty cheap after his redemption tour at Iona. No one lauded UT for hiring Barnes off his postseason disappointment at Texas, but he’s been more successful there in his current gig. Houston REALLY lucked into Sampson.

You can promote a mid-major guy (worked with Wade, not with McMahon), try to buy someone away from where they are (unlikely here), or go to a retread or rebound. The later is the best option if the right guy who has won at a high level comes available, but there’s definitely luck involved. Wade is the only one who comes close so far this offseason, and the powers that be at LSU (and I think that goes further than just Woodward) aren’t going there.
Posted by Tom Bronco
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2011
2864 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 1:48 pm to
Man we have all been waiting with bated breath for your expert take on the situation. Your knowledge of Federal Law, Accounting and NCAA revenue sharing is truly awe inspiring. Basketball's tv revenue more than finances the sport and with a winning team could provide a surplus for other sports to share. Baseball has made a small profit the last few years but was a loss before then. All you experts look at home attendance of games and say that baseball is drawing more so therefore it is a bigger sport. TV revenue far out shadows home attendance and baseball doesn't draw as much on the road and basketball draws more.
Posted by WaydownSouth
Stratton Oakmont
Member since Nov 2018
10526 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 1:49 pm to
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Agreed. Just fund baseball and football. It’s the two best sports and the ones people care the most about


Entirely false. Basketball is 2nd best and its not remotely close
Posted by misey94
Member since Jan 2007
32986 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 1:50 pm to
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Those are facts . If every AD across the country had to eliminate baseball or basketball, unless they are on drugs , 100% would slash baseball .


But you don’t have to. This isn’t even a consideration. Most of the top SEC programs are doing all three of Football, Men’s Hoops and Baseball well. Many are also among the top in Women’s Hoops, Softball and Gymnastics, as well. LSU can and should be among the top programs in all of the above.
Posted by WaydownSouth
Stratton Oakmont
Member since Nov 2018
10526 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 1:51 pm to
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Weird. I’m good with never watching another LSU baseball game again. It’s an insignificant, regional sport that pales in comparison to collegiate football and basketball.


I can't remember the last time I watched a regular season LSU baseball game from start to finish. Much better ways to waste 3 hours
Posted by LSU Jax
Gator Country Hell
Member since Sep 2006
10395 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 2:01 pm to
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Not if you only have the money to compete in 2 of 3

This is just stupid. Where do you get the notion that LSU can’t afford to compete in all three sports?
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60764 posts
Posted on 3/16/25 at 2:05 pm to
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Just asking for a single top 8 in last 25 years isn't "all or nothing"


I realized I jumped in without the full context but a baseball program can be “competitive” even if they haven’t been to Omaha if they regularly make the tournament. Tennessee MBB has never been to the Final Four but clearly they have been very good for at least the last 20 years with Pearl and then Barnes. What’s important though isn’t 20-25 years ago 16 years ago the entire SEC was terrible in MBB LSU won the league and was an 8 seed it’s what the are doing currently/going forward


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No, that would 't fly at LSU. Not even close


Of course not, but that doesn’t mean we can’t also be competitive in MBB.

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