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re: I'm confused at the strategy at the beginning of the game...

Posted on 6/6/10 at 10:35 am to
Posted by wilfont
Gulfport, MS on a Jet Ski
Member since Apr 2007
14860 posts
Posted on 6/6/10 at 10:35 am to
quote:

The strategy was to have a different strategy which was actually very strategic because he presented a strategy within a strategy. Once you make an analysis of the strategy you'll have some understanding of the strategy but it is very complex and difficult to explain.

Even I can understand it when its broken down like that.
Posted by LfcSU3520
Arizona
Member since Dec 2003
24474 posts
Posted on 6/6/10 at 10:35 am to
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but tottally disagree not bunting Landry in the second.


I think this is becoming an annual thing. I have to come in here every year around this time and explain why sac bunting early in the game IS ONE OF THE STUPIDEST THINGS YOU CAN DO IN BASEBALL MATHEMATICALLY.
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 6/6/10 at 10:36 am to
I really dont think decisions mattered at all yesterday it wasnt LSU's day their pitcher was masterful.

Now Friday.. Was one of the dumbest games I have seen CPM ever coach. You dont bunt your DH! You definitly dont bunt him 2x! What is the purpose of that? CPM is probably the only coach ever to ask Gaudet to lay down a bunt and he asked him to do it twice. After the first one resulted in a double play he asked him to do it again! Now that was just plain stupid.

Bringing in a frosh pitcher in that game who has hardly any experience was also questionable and the use of Cotton for one batter that was in a bunt situation? WTF was up with that? Friday's game was the worst I have seen him coach. But I cant fault him for yesterday. Yea he should have bunted Landry.. Maybe he chose not to because he wasnt our DH and has speed
Posted by LfcSU3520
Arizona
Member since Dec 2003
24474 posts
Posted on 6/6/10 at 10:38 am to
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People like you just need to get a mind of your own. It's probably why all your life you answer to the man instead of being the man.



actually you have this turned around. See, you think teams should bunt early in the games to try to score 1-2 runs. That's bad baseball. Terrible baseball actually, and it's proven to be a strategy that hurts teams. But you think it's the only way to go because it's the way it's always been done and you've never thought outside the box on it.

So instead of you 'being the man', you're 'answering to the man' (whatever this has to do with anything I don't know) because you fail to do your own research.
Posted by Dead Mike
Cell Block 4
Member since Mar 2010
3932 posts
Posted on 6/6/10 at 10:41 am to
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I think this is becoming an annual thing. I have to come in here every year around this time and explain why sac bunting early in the game IS ONE OF THE STUPIDEST THINGS YOU CAN DO IN BASEBALL MATHEMATICALLY.


Especially with a lineup full of .300+ hitters out of the SEC.
Posted by LfcSU3520
Arizona
Member since Dec 2003
24474 posts
Posted on 6/6/10 at 10:42 am to
exactly. Holding metal bats. It's absolutely insane and PM insists on doing it. LSU wins in spite of this crap he pulls, not because of it.

Posted by los angeles tiger
1,601 miles from Tiger Stadium
Member since Oct 2003
55976 posts
Posted on 6/6/10 at 10:48 am to
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Even I can understand it when its broken down like that.



I knew you could once I put it in plain, simple terms.
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 6/6/10 at 10:48 am to
So why did he try to bunt Gaudet 2 times on Friday?

He has no speed so teams can easily throw to second first and work for the double play. And he is apparently pathetic at bunting.

If you are going to take the bat out of the hands of your DH twice then put a good bunter in the game. He isnt playing a position.
This post was edited on 6/6/10 at 10:50 am
Posted by Dead Mike
Cell Block 4
Member since Mar 2010
3932 posts
Posted on 6/6/10 at 10:50 am to
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So why did he try to bunt Gaudet 2 times on Friday?

He has no speed so teams can easily throw to second first and work for the double play. And he is apparently pathetic at bunting.


Maybe betting that UCI wouldn't expect our least likely bunting candidate and be unprepared to defend it. And certainly not expect us to do it twice.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62029 posts
Posted on 6/6/10 at 10:59 am to
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If you are questioning the hit and run then you haven't followed the team the last couple weeks. All of our success has started with hit and runs. We've been doing that in the 1st inning or when we first get guys on base in every game.


Correct.

Posted by Flyin Tighas
FWB in the 850
Member since Sep 2009
1780 posts
Posted on 6/6/10 at 11:04 am to
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However he is one of the worst game managers I have ever seen


IGNORANT....

He took an agressive approach because he knew that getting hits off their ace was going to be difficult...

It it worked, your prasing him as a genious////

I don't see you making a 1,000,000 a year coaching so....

STFU
Posted by MrWiseGuy
Member since Dec 2009
27776 posts
Posted on 6/6/10 at 12:33 pm to
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actually you have this turned around. See, you think teams should bunt early in the games to try to score 1-2 runs. That's bad baseball. Terrible baseball actually, and it's proven to be a strategy that hurts teams. But you think it's the only way to go because it's the way it's always been done and you've never thought outside the box on it.


you kidding me right ? We are not facing Mississippi State here. This guy had 2.8 ERA. You knew going into the game that the total of runs scored in the game would not reach double digits. You have your 6-7-8 hitters coming to the plate. Gibbs is on second, it's either going to take a ball hit to the gap or TWO hits to score him from second. So you expect your 6-7-8-9 hitters to be able to get 2 hits off a guy whose ERA is under 3?

Is that outside the box enough for you.
Posted by Jay Quest
Once removed from Massachusetts
Member since Nov 2009
10686 posts
Posted on 6/6/10 at 12:38 pm to
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It it worked, your prasing him as a genious////

No I wouldn't dipshit. My opinion of PM as a game manager would be exactly the same.

Edit: Primarily because I have no idea what a genious is.
This post was edited on 6/6/10 at 12:40 pm
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
81973 posts
Posted on 6/6/10 at 12:40 pm to
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MrWiseGuy

go with it brah, you've prob played more ball than this 3520 cat
Posted by Elleshoe
Wade’s World
Member since Jun 2004
143780 posts
Posted on 6/6/10 at 12:42 pm to
no prob with the hit and run being on in that situation as that's been our bread and butter but I definitely would have bunted landry but it is what it is.
Posted by heartbreakTiger
grinding for my grinders
Member since Jan 2008
138974 posts
Posted on 6/6/10 at 12:43 pm to
yea no doubt.
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
81973 posts
Posted on 6/6/10 at 12:44 pm to
Nah, I wouldn't have minded bunting Landry there at all.
Posted by Jeeves
Member since Apr 2010
2080 posts
Posted on 6/6/10 at 12:45 pm to
People that argue baseball with LfcSU3520.
Posted by MrWiseGuy
Member since Dec 2009
27776 posts
Posted on 6/6/10 at 1:09 pm to
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Nah, I wouldn't have minded bunting Landry there at all.


now you're confusing me...you appear to disagree with me a couple posts up and agree with 3520.

Yet agree with Elleshoe ?

That's the only thing I disagree with and I even gave a detair reasoning.
Posted by Dead Mike
Cell Block 4
Member since Mar 2010
3932 posts
Posted on 6/6/10 at 1:14 pm to
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you kidding me right ? We are not facing Mississippi State here. This guy had 2.8 ERA. You knew going into the game that the total of runs scored in the game would not reach double digits. You have your 6-7-8 hitters coming to the plate. Gibbs is on second, it's either going to take a ball hit to the gap or TWO hits to score him from second. So you expect your 6-7-8-9 hitters to be able to get 2 hits off a guy whose ERA is under 3?


Bibona had a 2.10 ERA and both teams reached double digits. A low ERA doesn't mean that you should start sacrificing outs to move a runner in scoring position up to 3rd. Further, our bullpen futility (even with Ross getting through 6.2 against UCI) indicates that we need sustained run scoring.

Bauer allows a season batting average of .246 with a WHIP of 1.25, every batter in the lineup except for Gaudet hits at about a .310 clip. Figure that the pitcher's stats are on the whole against weaker competition than LSU, and that LSU's team stats are against weaker pitching than this guy.

You're extremely unlikely to hit into a DP with the lone runner on 2nd. A base hit is likely going to be deep enough to score Gibbs from second anyway, and given the way we sac bunt (particularly in the bottom of the order) you're about as likely to get the lead runner tagged out at 3rd as you are by swinging away. A ground ball to the right side is probably going to advance the runner anyway. Most importantly, you don't have a good idea of how many total runs you'll need to produce to outscore the opponent or send the game into extra innings. I don't recall how many outs we had at that point, but with 0 outs you're just limiting your scoring potential for the inning for marginal benefit and with 1 out the bunt makes absolutely no sense with no sac fly possibility.
This post was edited on 6/6/10 at 1:17 pm
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