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re: I'm confused at the strategy at the beginning of the game...
Posted on 6/6/10 at 8:51 am to DBG
Posted on 6/6/10 at 8:51 am to DBG
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how often do you see a first pitch pitch out?
either damn good research on UCLA's part (not sure if we did it at some point earlier in the year), or a stolen sign.
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Posted on 6/6/10 at 9:09 am to josh336
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When he sent Mahtook on the first pitch knowing there was reason to suspect UCLA would pitch out I knew this was going to be one of those games.
So you think Mainieri knew there would be a pitchout and he just sent Mikie anyways? You saw that pitchout coming too didn't you?
Yep, PM is so hardheaded!
Posted on 6/6/10 at 9:14 am to avondale88
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LSUinGA, finally someone with some sense. I have to agree with you 100%. I bet if LSU had won last night, this thread would never even exist. It amazes me how the people who are bitching about PM are not the coach at LSU.
dude get off your high horse and realize the coach can actually wrong from time to time. Nobody is throwing anyone under the bus.
I started this thread cause Maineiri played two different styles in thr first couple innings.
Not bunting with your 6-7-8 hitters coming up vs a pitcher with a sub 3 ERA inthe second inning..,I have a right to question that move and ask other LSU fans if they agree or disagree.
If you don't like the thread don't click on it.
People like you just need to get a mind of your own. It's probably why all your life you answer to the man instead of being the man.
Get off your high horse.
Posted on 6/6/10 at 9:42 am to MrWiseGuy
If you bunt with Landry you have two right handed hitters coming up with a high potential for strikeouts, Gaudet in particular. Ofcourse with hindsight everyone is going to come back and complain about it because it didn't work. But there was a reason he didn't do it and it made sense at the time.
Posted on 6/6/10 at 9:45 am to DBG
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the stats say you can run on ucla and mahtook is our best base stealer, plus hanover has been making good contact.
ucla got lucky and guessed right, it happens. how often do you see a first pitch pitch out?
I've been watching baseball for many years, played a few years, and coached some,(albeit Little League), and I have never seen a steal attempt in that situation. Obviously UCLA picked up a sign. I think PM tried that because he knows our pitching can't hold up and we have to manufacture runs. I don't agree with it though because we have players that can hit. Poor decisions throughout the game, as usual. PM is a good coach, not great, and certainly not a "baseball genius". He was good where he came from because he could reach their expectations with the talent he recruited. He's getting out of the "Smoke era" now and his recruiting skills are coming to light. If we had Smoke as a recruiter (no coaching job, please) then PM could just stand on the steps and watch the kids win!!
Posted on 6/6/10 at 9:45 am to josh336
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So you think Mainieri knew there would be a pitchout and he just sent Mikie anyways?
No, and its not what I said. Watch the game of baseball for a while and tell me the number of times a leadoff hitter attempts to steal on the first pitch thrown. Its almost never done. You're going to wait to see if the other team is willing to waste a pitch on a pitch out. Whatever they do with that first pitch gives the base runner the advantage from that moment on.
Another poster said you can't fault Maineiri for being aggressive. I didn't fault him for being aggressive. I faulted him for being aggressive at the wrong time. Its not just a matter of doing something its knowing when as well.
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You saw that pitchout coming too didn't you?
Again, not what I said. Comprehension doesn't come easy for you does it?
Posted on 6/6/10 at 9:49 am to willie
Willie there are so many things in your post that I want to quote and respond to I can't even do it from my phone and will have to do it when I get home. Smoke? Really?
Posted on 6/6/10 at 9:51 am to Jay Quest
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People like you just need to get a mind of your own.
If this was directed at me, I do, just don't agrre with you.
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It's probably why all your life you answer to the man instead of being the man.
I LOL at this one.
Posted on 6/6/10 at 9:53 am to LSUnGA
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LSUnGA
Why are you addressing me with another poster's quotes?
Posted on 6/6/10 at 9:56 am to Jay Quest
Sorry!
Posted on 6/6/10 at 9:56 am to Jay Quest
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Watch the game of baseball for a while and tell me the number of times a leadoff hitter attempts to steal on the first pitch thrown
It happens occasionally, and fwiw, it was a hit and run, not a steal.
Lets say he does wait a pitch, 1st pitch is a strike. Then the pitcher can still throw a pitchout on the next pitch. It was bad luck, damn Mainieri for not being able to see the future.
What I wanna know is why weren't you complaining when they've done this the last 5 or 6 games, but you wanna complain about it now. Takes some real balls to do that when the call doesn't work.
Posted on 6/6/10 at 9:58 am to willie
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I've been watching baseball for many years, played a few years, and coached some,(albeit Little League), and I have never seen a steal attempt in that situation. Obviously UCLA picked up a sign. I think PM tried that because he knows our pitching can't hold up and we have to manufacture runs. I don't agree with it though because we have players that can hit. Poor decisions throughout the game, as usual. PM is a good coach, not great, and certainly not a "baseball genius". He was good where he came from because he could reach their expectations with the talent he recruited. He's getting out of the "Smoke era" now and his recruiting skills are coming to light. If we had Smoke as a recruiter (no coaching job, please) then PM could just stand on the steps and watch the kids win!!
Holy frick
Posted on 6/6/10 at 9:59 am to josh336
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What I wanna know is why weren't you complaining when they've done this the last 5 or 6 games,
Are you telling me for 6 consecutive games LSU's leadoff hitter attempted to steal on the first pitch? I don't think that's happened.
Posted on 6/6/10 at 10:00 am to Jay Quest
When the hitters got on, in at least 2 of the games, they hit and run on the first pitch. Pretty sure they did it when Hanover got on and Gibbs was up. I know Katz started 0-2 at 1 point in the SEC tourney because they hit and run 2 times in a row. Forgot who was on in front of him. Pretty sure that was the 1st game against florida.
Posted on 6/6/10 at 10:05 am to josh336
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Pretty sure they did it when Hanover got on and Gibbs was up.
I'm talking about in the first inning with a known base stealer on first. There was a better than even chance UCLA would pitch out on that first pitch and nail Mahtook.
Look, I'm not criticizing the effort, just the timing. A leadoff hitter, even Ricky Henderson, seldom takes off on the first pitch to the number 2 hitter in the first inning.
This post was edited on 6/6/10 at 10:06 am
Posted on 6/6/10 at 10:06 am to Jay Quest
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Their was a better than even chance UCLA would pitch out on that first pitch and nail Mahtook.
bullshite
Posted on 6/6/10 at 10:07 am to josh336
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bullshite
Then you know nothing about theis game. See ya.
Posted on 6/6/10 at 10:08 am to Jay Quest
And Mainieri doesn't know anything either, right? I wish we could get a guy like Jay Quest to coach the team, have a real coach who knows when to put baserunners in motion.
Posted on 6/6/10 at 10:25 am to josh336
Paul Maineiri is an outstanding college baseball coach and LSU is fortunate to have him but like all coaches he will have games where his decisions pan out and some where they fail.
I like his aggressive style although I agree running Mahtook when he did was not his best decision of the day.
I like his aggressive style although I agree running Mahtook when he did was not his best decision of the day.
This post was edited on 6/6/10 at 10:26 am
Posted on 6/6/10 at 10:32 am to wilfont
The strategy was to have a different strategy which was actually very strategic because he presented a strategy within a strategy. Once you make an analysis of the strategy you'll have some understanding of the strategy but it is very complex and difficult to explain.
In other words...I was baffled as hell as to why he ran Mahtook as well as the bunt play.
In other words...I was baffled as hell as to why he ran Mahtook as well as the bunt play.
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