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re: If you were a football player, why would you not get Covid now on purpose?
Posted on 6/21/20 at 7:49 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Posted on 6/21/20 at 7:49 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
If you support the OP's idea, I say "you first". Go to the nearest hospital, lay a big wet one on the first infected person that's willing and let us know how things are going after confirmed acquisition of disease.
Telling kids to play roulette with their health is downright irresponsible. I challenge you to find one current licensed doctor that would stake his career on the same suggestion.
Telling kids to play roulette with their health is downright irresponsible. I challenge you to find one current licensed doctor that would stake his career on the same suggestion.
Posted on 6/21/20 at 7:57 pm to Shere Khan
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Telling kids to play roulette with their health is downright irresponsible.
So, all of the doctors who endorse chicken pox parties are also irresponsible?
Posted on 6/21/20 at 8:01 pm to TigerNlc
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because you take it home and kill your grandmother.
This is my thought. I was in New York in December and the national championship game so I was probably exposed. I’m not worried about myself.
Then DON'T visit YOUR grandmother if YOU made a decision to allow YOURSELF the possibility of exposure. These are YOUR choices.
Posted on 6/21/20 at 8:11 pm to The LGBM
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REPLY: Because the antibodies have been shown to last only about 8 weeks. You could catch it again.
There is no reputable study that indicates antibodies only last 8 weeks. The scientific community believes that antibodies last for at least a year and in other coronaviruses reinfection is more mild even years later. Another fact, since March 1st more people under 30 have died from the flu than Covid 19 in both Louisiana and the US. Mortality rate moving forward due to better treatment and a possible weakening of the virus is estimated to be between .3% and .1% which is inline with a bad flu year. In fact total covid deaths only exceed typical flu deaths in a season in people over 60 and that is with 70% of people under 18 and 40% of people over 18 being vaccinated for the Flu.
Covid 19 was bad in Italy and NYC 3 months ago, but it is a very different disease now.
Even states peaking that have 5 times the cases they had in March and April still have lower mortalities then they had then.
This post was edited on 6/21/20 at 8:37 pm
Posted on 6/21/20 at 8:12 pm to LSU03
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This might not be a big deal if you are a regular 9 to 5-er, or even if you do manual labor, but if that slightly diminished lung capacity costs you 2 steps in your 40, that's potentially millions of dollars in draft $ and maybe the difference in getting separation from your defender or missing your angle to catch up with a reciever racing down the sidelines.
And you can have "lung damage" from the flu as well.
Posted on 6/21/20 at 8:16 pm to lsu711
quote:I have it as I type this. Nothing to play with, but it's not gonna kill me by God's grace. I'm 60, also. My fever only got to 99.3°, but I have significant body/head aches, cough, head cold, chest congestion, etc...On my 4th day.
Because I don’t know anyone who has or ever had covid.
Both of my daughters have it also, but they're close to back to normal...
This post was edited on 6/21/20 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 6/21/20 at 8:30 pm to NorthTiger
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1. You could die from it. For you “it’s just the flu” group, you can die from the flu.
Where were you a couple of years ago when over 80,000 people in the US died of the flu? Why did was your hair "not" on fire for the safety of our football players then? You just admitted "people die from the flu." right?
In fact, the mortality rate for this age group (adjusted for the absence of underlying health issues) for the flu is about the same as CoVid.
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2. The long term effects are still unknown.
And your solution is....???? Stay indoors until EVERYTHING is known about CoVid (which would take YEARS to complete those studies)?
Dumb.
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3. Some studies show that immunity from light cases may last only 2-3 months.
And "some studies" also show you might not know what you are talking about.
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Yes, the odds are in any athletes favor, but what if Chase is one of those rare exceptions.
Chase might also get leprosy. There are about 200,00 new cases of leprosy cases reported EACH YEAR.
Posted on 6/21/20 at 8:34 pm to Irish LSU Fan
Irish, I've upvoted you at least THREE times in this thread. What is wrong with you???
Posted on 6/21/20 at 8:34 pm to pongze
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I’d be a shite emergency physician
You said it, not me.
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If you reread my post, I’m referring to asymptomatic people getting imaging for other reasons.
Nice try. Exactly how many young people are getting imaging, for other reasons, that are discovering lung damage from a previous/current bout with CoVid.....in your hospital? Where is the hard data to support this claim?
Posted on 6/21/20 at 8:36 pm to pongze
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It’s completely possible that the teenage through early 20 crowd is completely unaffected.
So, now the football players are OK? Make up your mind.
Posted on 6/21/20 at 8:43 pm to Irish LSU Fan
You’re comparing 80,000 people in a 12 month period to 115,000 people in 4 months and by the way this virus is less than a year old meaning we barley know anything about it? Seriously?
Posted on 6/21/20 at 8:44 pm to kwtiger70
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There is no zero risk.
EVERYTHING we do is a "no zero risk" situation.
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Lets say you are part of the 2 per cent who die from the coronavirus
WRONG. Are you intentionally misquoting the percentages related to the age group of the football players or are you just that stupid?
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or the larger percentage who have persistent lung problems or muscle weakness
Also wrong. There is NO RESEARCH that has concludes any of what you are saying, especially for this age group. Again, you are lying.
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or you carry it home and your parents get it
Or not. THAT is a choice. If you think you have been exposed, DON"T VISIT YOUR GRANDPARENTS. If you do, THAT IS YOUR CHOICE.
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All indications
Yea....I'm not making any decisions based on your interpretations of "all indications?" What exactly does "all indications" mean? Is that some new scientific research method I have not heard of?
Please go to an emergency room ASAP and ask for a CT-Scan.
Posted on 6/21/20 at 8:46 pm to Big Scrub TX
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What if this particular virus breaks down your body's immunity to it over repeated infections?
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What if
Sorry, I'm not playing your game of "what if." Please come to the discussion with some facts....just one, please.
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This appears to be the case with Dengue Fever.
"This appears"....once again, no facts.
Posted on 6/21/20 at 8:51 pm to db1987
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You’re comparing 80,000 people in a 12 month period to 115,000 people in 4 months
No dummy. You know the majority of these deaths occurred during "flu season" which is much shorter. And please, don't try to say "you can't compare...." Yes, I can.
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this virus is less than a year old meaning we barley know anything about it
No, I heard the CDC contradict your statement on TV last week. They said, Although this is a "new" virus, we know a lot about this virus."
Posted on 6/21/20 at 9:12 pm to Irish LSU Fan
If doctors are comparing the treatment of covid to chicken pox, yes they are irresponsible.
Just go get the disease yourself and report back with updates on symptoms, health, family spread, timeline, etc. Be part of the solution.
Just go get the disease yourself and report back with updates on symptoms, health, family spread, timeline, etc. Be part of the solution.
Posted on 6/21/20 at 10:56 pm to Irish LSU Fan
Protective antibodies IgG lasted into ~the 3rd and 4th year respectively for close analogies of COVID-19 - two Cov viruses, SARS from China in 2007 and MERS from the Middle East in 2012. All patients tested were with minimal symptoms, so it is possible that those with a more significant infection could have longer lasting immunity.
There has been no reinfection noted as of yet.
Mortality is essentially nonexistent statistically in the teens and 20’s, especially in the active population lacking co-morbidities of obesity, uncontrolled hypertension, and diabetes. Don’t forget, nearly 1/2 of the mortalities were in nursing home or skilled nursing facilities.
Generalized Forced Quarantine (“lockdown“), IMO, is of value BEFORE an infection enters a population at large, if the characteristics of the infection are unknown, and if the medical facilities might be overwhelmed as was the case in January 2020. Now the virus is widespread, it is much better understood and the medical facilities, instead of being overwhelmed, are remarkably empty. We now know that there are “at risk” populations and populations at little risk, yet we still “FORCE” those minimal risk populations to quarantine themselves, as if any college kid in the 60’s or now would really do that anyway.
The concept that more people infected and therefore immunized will lead to fewer “hosts” to carry the virus thereby diminishing the virus’s ability to thrive is known as “herd immunity”. What the percentage of immunized must be to lead to viral collapse in a population is unknown but we do know that Sweden, that has NOT lived under a lockdown, has 15% already immunized, which is much more than any other country, and a national death rate of 0.05%.
While I’ve heard little to nothing about this concept-and you can’t plan for it- other Cov viruses have shown the possibility of attenuating with age, meaning they can become less virulent. And lastly, don’t forget about a possible vaccine. Who knows?
Conclusion: Life moves on for all, is unfair for some (in this case, those with co-morbidities), is never perfect, and is NEVER without risk. Yet we demand those with the smallest of risk to sacrifice for those with the highest of risk - who should be the ones quarantining. Maybe consider those with co-morbidities do the quarantining. In the meantime, viral attenuation, herd immunity and vaccine await.
There has been no reinfection noted as of yet.
Mortality is essentially nonexistent statistically in the teens and 20’s, especially in the active population lacking co-morbidities of obesity, uncontrolled hypertension, and diabetes. Don’t forget, nearly 1/2 of the mortalities were in nursing home or skilled nursing facilities.
Generalized Forced Quarantine (“lockdown“), IMO, is of value BEFORE an infection enters a population at large, if the characteristics of the infection are unknown, and if the medical facilities might be overwhelmed as was the case in January 2020. Now the virus is widespread, it is much better understood and the medical facilities, instead of being overwhelmed, are remarkably empty. We now know that there are “at risk” populations and populations at little risk, yet we still “FORCE” those minimal risk populations to quarantine themselves, as if any college kid in the 60’s or now would really do that anyway.
The concept that more people infected and therefore immunized will lead to fewer “hosts” to carry the virus thereby diminishing the virus’s ability to thrive is known as “herd immunity”. What the percentage of immunized must be to lead to viral collapse in a population is unknown but we do know that Sweden, that has NOT lived under a lockdown, has 15% already immunized, which is much more than any other country, and a national death rate of 0.05%.
While I’ve heard little to nothing about this concept-and you can’t plan for it- other Cov viruses have shown the possibility of attenuating with age, meaning they can become less virulent. And lastly, don’t forget about a possible vaccine. Who knows?
Conclusion: Life moves on for all, is unfair for some (in this case, those with co-morbidities), is never perfect, and is NEVER without risk. Yet we demand those with the smallest of risk to sacrifice for those with the highest of risk - who should be the ones quarantining. Maybe consider those with co-morbidities do the quarantining. In the meantime, viral attenuation, herd immunity and vaccine await.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 8:06 am to db1987
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You’re comparing 80,000 people in a 12 month period to 115,000 people in 4 months
We don't count people who die with the flu as flu deaths and we don't test every corpse for the flu like we do with covid.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 8:51 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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That’s a spurious claim not supported by fact.
Forbes
That you didn't address with your quote, because that article doesn't support your apparently made-up "spurious claim" statement.
From the same article:
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We still don’t know whether humans can get infected with the virus a second time.
Here's [link=(an article about a recent study that finds that immunity "may" only last three months)]https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/18/coronavirus-antibodies-may-last-only-2-to-3-months-after-infection-study-suggests.html[/link].
This post was edited on 6/22/20 at 8:54 am
Posted on 6/22/20 at 8:58 am to luciouslou
quote:100% false, and a stupid, stupid media-driven meme.
No proof of immunity
Posted on 6/22/20 at 10:23 am to Shere Khan
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If doctors are comparing the treatment of covid to chicken pox
Nobody said anything about comparing the "treatment" of CoVid & Chickenpox. It was about the philosophy of obtaining immunity through intentional infection. Many doctors have/do recommend intentional infection with chickenpox AND children die every year from chickenpox.
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Be part of the solution.
The "solution" requires perspective. And your statements lack that perspective (either as an oversight or intentionally). Go to the CDC website and look at the CoVid mortality & hospitalization graphs. BOTH have VERY STEEP DOWNWARD LINES. In fact, these downward graphs are all the way down to the levels we saw in March.
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