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re: If you consider les miles a "great" coach, please
Posted on 12/16/08 at 7:35 am to JPLSU1981
Posted on 12/16/08 at 7:35 am to JPLSU1981
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1. Great recruiter
agreed
let's see if he gets randle/jackson though
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2. Hires great coordinators
this is overblown, especially after the past year
bo p was solid
crowton was good (but miles may be ruining that)
malleveto was horrible
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3. No guts, no glory mindset in-game strategy against teams with equal or more talent
overrated. les miles is a conservative coach who occasionally throws a curve ball.
he'll go for it on a 4th here or there but decline to go for it on smart 4th downs 3x in other good situations
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4. Excellent ambassador for LSU in terms of the quality person he is
but he also kind of hurts LSU with his personal presentation. you can't deny that. if he wouldn't talk, it would be one thing. but before last year he pissed off the national press by calling out USC for no good reason. that could have hurt LSU
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5. Great recruiter (it's worth putting twice since recruiting is 75% of the battle in college football)
i'll refute this with 2 names: peveto. lane.
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Posted on 12/16/08 at 7:49 am to oilfieldtiger
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and d james' busted piss test.
That just gave me a great idea, "Sorry coach, my urine is broken. 'The Man' says I can't play."
Or, "My report card is broken."
Posted on 12/16/08 at 8:24 am to lsu xman
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how many other coaches lost 4 straight home SEC games in Tiger Stadium?
Les Miles hasn't, idiot.
Posted on 12/16/08 at 9:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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and UF was rebuilding last year. LSU wasn't this year
shows stupity and lack of football IQ.... LSU was young and inexperienced at all the wrong places. You won't win big in the SEC with a freshman QB and green DB's.
Posted on 12/16/08 at 9:22 am to AlexLSU
quote:I think you've made it pretty clear that no matter what you will never like Les Miles. No matter what he does he will never get any credit from you; if he "rights the ship" then its just because he has good players or his staff is more responsible for our success and we're winning in spite of Miles.
Hopefully he rights the ship and makes me eat my words.
You're practically ready to give back the national championship last year because in your opinion we didn't earn it and didn't deserve it.
Posted on 12/16/08 at 9:25 am to LSUTiger205
Fake field goal against darth visor. Best play call in the history of karma.
Posted on 12/16/08 at 10:22 am to AlexLSU
quote:Okay, how about you tell me the worst career winning percentage in SEC play of any coach who won a National Championship in his 3rd year at an SEC school?
And some who were born to coach were also born to frick up an entire season and have a sub .500 record in the SEC and LUCK into a MNC with a few plays here and there.
No one wins a National Championship in their 3rd year at a program entirely on luck.
quote:How exactly did "too much time" go off? Would we not be allowed to kick the field goal if there truly had been only one second left? Do you honestly believe that? Please explain to us how (in your infinite understanding of football) 1 second left is not enough time to run a play when the clock is stopped after an incompletion?
And I don't totally disagree with taking a shot downfield, but that's a risky play (into tight coverage) and too much time went off.
quote:Ah, so people like you can complain about how Miles was just "lucky" that it wasn't bobbled around for another 35 seconds?
You always try to get closer. Run an out pattern to the sidelines to stop the clock and gain yards.
Why can't you people simply accept that he made the call with more than enough time left to run the play with several delays and a bobble and STILL have time to kick the field goal if necessary? The video absolutely proves that is the only possible realistic description of the events and all of you are just making yourselves look absolutely stupid by making up ridiculous lies to suggest otherwise. The huddle was delayed, the snap was delayed, the pass was bobbled, and the clock STILL had one second left on it. The only question was whether we should take a shot at the endzone or just wait and take one try at a FG. If you think he was too risky taking the shot at all, then argue that. But pretending like he screwed up the clock management WHEN WE STILL HAD TIME LEFT is just embarassing.
Posted on 12/16/08 at 10:26 am to TheRoarRestoredInBR
quote:Yes, I'm sure you were touting the magnificence of his loss to UAB, his sub-.500 SEC record halfway through the 2001 season when we were ranked dead last IN THE COUNTRY in pass defense, his impressive 2-4 finish to the 2002 season, and the joyous thrashing at the hands of Georgia in 2004.
But, unlike the HC of current, I never doubted his competency
Posted on 12/16/08 at 10:32 am to TheRoarRestoredInBR
quote:Hmmm. 8-4, to 10-3, to 8-5. That was "up, up, and away," but somehow a 7-5 season now (with the potential for 8-5 with a bowl win) signals absolute doom.
I was pissed at the UAB loss, and a week later told my friends that I was at the Tenn game with, as LSU won "We have a championship coach, it's gonna be up, up, and away!"..
quote:So the Miles recruiting is telling a tale of doom? Riiiiight.
And his recruiting was also already telling that tale too.
quote:Well, if the backslide from 2001 to 2002, and then a SECOND backslide from 2003 to 2004, didn't give you any trepidation at all, then it is absolutely bizarre that you would be so wrapped up with trepidation over a coach that has had better good years, and only ONE backslide so far. I mean, seriously; Saban's backsliding was a PATTERN. Miles' is a single anomaly (at least so far).
And most importantly, I would have none of the current trepidation at hand over LSU's fothcoming years and possible slide from it's current stature.
Let me ask you this: if Bama goes, say, 9-4 next year, will you still be preaching the same absolute confidence in Saban's ability to never backslide?
Posted on 12/16/08 at 10:37 am to King Joey
More gloom and doom
Posted on 12/16/08 at 10:39 am to TheRoarRestoredInBR
quote:So what were you doing during the total thrashing they gave us in 2004 (which, for the record, was significantly worse than this year's)?
I remember never watching LSU lose to Georgia
quote:Like suggesting Saban never lost to Georgia?
P.S. You Miles Apologists sure can spin some whack rationalizations
Posted on 12/16/08 at 10:42 am to Oakflat
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What coach in the nation would have had LSU in a BCS game this year, or even say, a 9-3 record, with the QB play they had this year. NO one. Stop bitching and crying over one bad year, and look at what hes done for you. Yall will be better in the future, stop being a little bitch and get over it.
It is about time someone stepped up and said it!! Everyone quit bitching about Miles. No other coach in college football could have done any better than say 8-4 this year with the qb situation we had. Yes our defense wasnt up to par, but we will get through it and we will be fine next year and the year after that and the year after that....
Posted on 12/16/08 at 10:46 am to AlexLSU
quote:So you are seriously suggesting that he "called" for Flynn to delay the huddle several seconds, delay the snap, just so he could "arrange" for the catch to be made with just 3 seconds left? Did he also "call" for the officials to let two extra seconds run off?
Anyone with any fricking sense would have tried to get a play off quicker.
It is patently obvious to anyone who isn't actively lying to insult Miles' coaching that he called the play with enough time to get it off with a considerable cushion, in case something went wrong. And then it did. The huddle was delayed, the snap was delayed, and the catch was bobbled. And, thanks to the cushion Miles was smart enough to leave when calling the play, WE STILL HAD A SECOND LEFT ON THE CLOCK.
Let me just pose a question to you: exactly how much time are you claiming was on the clock when Miles made the call for that play?
Posted on 12/16/08 at 10:48 am to drexyl
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think you've made it pretty clear that no matter what you will never like Les Miles. No matter what he does he will never get any credit from you; if he "rights the ship" then its just because he has good players or his staff is more responsible for our success and we're winning in spite of Miles.
You're practically ready to give back the national championship last year because in your opinion we didn't earn it and didn't deserve it.
Posted on 12/16/08 at 10:52 am to AlexLSU
quote:Why did we lose by 12, at home, in 2003 to a team we had beaten by 29 on the road the year before?
Why did we lose to a team we beat by 49 the year before?
quote:And all of them were blown out of the water the other 3 years he's been here, but they kept making up excuses for why they were "right" despite being obviously wrong. And now, when their criticism has finally found some credibility in one of his four seasons, they act like Miles' supporters are the ones with no basis for their position. Yeah, we support a 40-11 coach with an SEC Title and a National Title, and y'all insist he's a bumbling boob who will doom the program . . . and WE'RE the delusional ones.
All their criticisms came true this year.
Posted on 12/16/08 at 10:56 am to AlexLSU
quote:If our talent in 2007 was so much better than our talent in 2004, then Miles is a better recruiter than Saban. If the talent in your fifth year -- after two SEC Titles and a National Title -- isn't as good as the talent three years after you leave, you have been outrecruited by your successor.
Think about that long and hard. If you think his 2002 team had nearly the same depth, you're crazy
Posted on 12/16/08 at 11:01 am to SlowFlowPro
We will find out just how good Miles is next season.
We are at the crossroads and can go back to the old middle of pack LSU, or we can continue to be a national powerhouse.
I hope for the latter but odds say our 15 mins are up. College football always goes in cycles.
With the complete lack of discipline on this years team, it worries me that this is the norm and that the disciplined player that play with heart left last year with Sabans last class.
We are at the crossroads and can go back to the old middle of pack LSU, or we can continue to be a national powerhouse.
I hope for the latter but odds say our 15 mins are up. College football always goes in cycles.
With the complete lack of discipline on this years team, it worries me that this is the norm and that the disciplined player that play with heart left last year with Sabans last class.
Posted on 12/16/08 at 11:08 am to AlexLSU
quote:Yes, exactly. That is why Miles left so much cushion of time when calling the play, so that even if EVERYTHING went wrong -- delay in the huddle, delay getting the snap, bobble of the ball, blown call by the refs -- we would still have time left . . . WHICH WE DID!
You go by the scoreboard first, and it read 1 second after offical review. There was 1 second left regardless of what we saw happen. Calls happen all the time that aren't right, but that doesn't mean they didn't happen.
I just cannot understand how any reasonable person can criticize the time management there. He called the play with plenty of time left, we ran it, it worked, and we still had time left in case it didn't.
quote:So now you are arguing that Miles' play call was "30 yard pass, but throw it INTO COVERAGE!"? He called the pass, let his Senior QB make the decision, and he made the throw and let our playmaker WR make the play. Which they did.
Throwing a 30 yarder into great coverage with a few seconds left is better than my scenarios?
I mean, were you bitching about Saban's call to blitz Jason White on the last play of the Sugar Bowl, when it could have cost us the game if they had picked it up and if White had hit an open receiver and if it had gone for a TD and if they had converted the extra point and if they had beaten us in OT? Was that a good call "just because it worked"?
quote:Uh, a lot of them don't. A lot of times, with enough time on the clock, they will take a shot at the endzone. And then, if it doesn't work, they will have a stopped clock with enough time to kick the field goal anyway. Just like we did.
If so, then why do teams with limited time down by 1 lobby to run and line up for a FG, or throw short passes to the sidelines to stop the clock instead of bombs into the endzone in solid coverage?
quote:And which of them had a win like ours over VT, PLUS wins like ours over Tennessee, Auburn and Florida? WV lost to Pitt (worse than any team we lost to, and lost worse to them than we did to anyone), SC lost to Stanford (ditto), and OU had no win close to the impressive nature of our win over VT.
The only team we earned it over was VT since we clobbered them. OU, WV, and USC is chance.
quote:So why were we down 12 to Florida in 2003 at the end of the game? Bad coaching? Bad coach? Or maybe just an off game that happens even to great coaches? Sometimes more than once (UAB, Arky Bama and Auburn 2002, Georgia Auburn and Iowa 2004, etc.)?
Why are you bitching about calls in a game where we played a two man team on senior day at home with more talent? Why were we there? Bad coaching? I think so.
Posted on 12/16/08 at 11:11 am to JPLSU1981
Saban and Miles are both great coaches. They are VERRRY different and have very different styles and qualities that each brings to the table, but they have both proven to be winners at multiple stops. We're lucky at LSU to have had them both. They've both made LSU football very enjoyable to follow and watch this decade and have given us all something to be proud of in LSU football.
The one thing that both Saban and Miles both have in common is their extraoidinary abilities to recruit ... As I've said before, that is the name of the game in college football. Recruiting is 75% of the battle.
The one thing that both Saban and Miles both have in common is their extraoidinary abilities to recruit ... As I've said before, that is the name of the game in college football. Recruiting is 75% of the battle.
This post was edited on 12/16/08 at 11:14 am
Posted on 12/16/08 at 11:15 am to Ray Ray Rodman
quote:Like Tyson "Karate Chop" Jackson?
it worries me that this is the norm and that the disciplined player that play with heart left last year with Sabans last class.
This year's Senior Class was Saban's recruits: Jackson, Favorite, Pittman, Alexander, Helms, Big Herm . . . these were all Saban's guys, right along those lines that everyone keeps saying "underachieved".
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