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re: If Woody could look back 20/20 hindsight, knowing full well players get bought and how

Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:31 am to
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
13240 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 8:31 am to
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comparing Wade to Pearl


Yeah, Pearl is about twice as old, hell of a lot fatter and got in trouble with the NCAA at every stop he has made.
He now has Auburn ranked number 1.
Pearl and Wade were best of friends.
Posted by PP7 for heisman
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2011
7408 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:57 am to
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I’ve heard enough from supposed insiders to become fairly certain that the NCAA pulled Woody aside and threatened to hit him with a football stick if he didn’t cough up Wade. So if he had it to do over again, I’d guess he would have done the same.

This - AND people seem to forget that they had receipts from Wade's literal checking account. That wasn't the same as the blue bloods being caught using AAU teams and shoe companies. It was a level above what anyone has been caught doing in recent memory. Yes, it's worse than Michigan stealing plays and UNC's fake classes (in the eyes of the NCAA).

Then, when Woodward asked him about it (before it was released to the public) Wade lied to Woodward about it.

I would love for Wade to somehow return as head coach, but some of you need to understand the reality of the situation and stop comparing it to literally any other cheating scandal of the last 20 years.
Posted by PP7 for heisman
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2011
7408 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:00 am to
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Hahahhaha michigan sued the NCAA on their suspensions and ban of wins due to the sign stealing in their championship year run AND WON.

Why do you feel the need to outiright lie about this lol? Michigan and Harbough sued the NCAA and lost. Harbough canceled (not continued, but canceled) his hearing and was literally suspended for 3 games. Their linebackers coach was fired for his role in the scheme. Harbough almost certainly left Michigan because he would've received a punishment and show cause.

Michigan is now fighting it, as they already won their national title. But in no universe did Michigan "beat the NCAA in court."
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
42778 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:08 am to
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So all these coaches were caught red handed paying players out of their personal accounts??? LINK…..I’ll wait.
I’ll wait for your link that Wade was paying players out of personal checking account.

You call people ignorant yet you have no idea what actually happened and spouting incorrect information.
Posted by PP7 for heisman
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2011
7408 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:15 am to
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Do you know all the facts of the Will Wade, Miles, and O situation with the NCAA? Did Wade cross a line somewhere else?

I do. Will Wade was caught using his personal checking account to pay players and then lied to Woodward about the whole thing.

Miles was fired for performance, but everyone knew what was going on behind the scenes. The difference was, no one told on him for his transgressions and the administration was in lockstep until F King took over. He hated Miles and Miles hated him. Why do you think guys like Verge Ausberry are still employed at LSU? Even with his paying of players, he kept himself and LSU wholly uninvolved. LSU had plausible deniability, that's why they only had to vacate wins and not take some form of bowl ban. We offered up some scholarships and vacated wins (something that quite frankly doesn't matter).

Orgeron was fired for performance. He was thrown into the sexual assault allegations, but was dropped from the suit pre-deposition for a reason. One thing he knew how to do was pay players under the table.

Wade on the other hand was on an island trying to revive a dead program with limited boosters. There's a reason he's one of my (if not no. 1) favorite LSU coaches, regardless of sport, ever. There is no world in which he should have been on those calls. There is no world in which he should have been paying players directly. It was ballsy as hell and I loved it, but because John Calipari is a jealous little pussy, Wade got caught. He then lied to Alleva about it (right move) and then lied to Woodward about it once he took over (wrong move). If he was upfront with Woodward, someone who actually cares about winning, he would still be our head coach today.
Posted by PP7 for heisman
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2011
7408 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:21 am to
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I’ll wait for your link that Wade was paying players out of personal checking account.

You call people ignorant yet you have no idea what actually happened and spouting incorrect information.
If you want to play semantics you can do that, that's fine. He was proven to have paid off a player's fiance. He also paid players directly. That is a fact. That's what I loved so much about him, and it was ultimately his downfall because of (1) John Calipari and (2) a fricking FBI wire tap.

Also, hey, maybe some people also know more about a situation than you do? I know what happened. I am telling you what happened lol.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
68630 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:21 am to
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The last time a major school got slapped with any punishment was the Ohio state in 2013

Well, that's not true

LSU football vacated wins from 5 seasons and had a 1 year bowl ban in 2020

Ole Miss had to vacate 33 wins and got a bowl ban in 2019

Missouri got a bowl ban in 2019 for self-reported academic misconduct

Arizona St had a bowl ban last year
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
68630 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:22 am to
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I've heard the NCAA no longer has any power.

A lot has changed over the past several years. The Courts have neutered the NCAA with respect to athletes getting paid
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
42778 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:25 am to
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If you want to play semantics you can do that, that's fine.
Truth and facts aren’t semantics.

That statement alone lets me know I would be wasting my time.

quote:

Also, hey, maybe some people also know more about a situation than you do? I know what happened. I am telling you what happened lol.
Posted by Amused Lurker
Atlanta
Member since Dec 2015
1855 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:29 am to
Thank you for taking the time and providing clarity. Much appreciated. So it seems he took the hit for all the dysfunction around the program under Alleva. Did Woody really have a choice given the direct payment allegations and keeping it from Woody?
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 10:30 am
Posted by terriblegreen
Souf Badden Rewage
Member since Aug 2011
11191 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:49 am to
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It kinda makes Woody look like a pusssy for firing Wade.


Especially when we knew NIL was coming.

Woody knows all thatt we know and he knew it a lot earlier than we did. He chose to fire WW for some reason even though the entire planet knew basketball was 100% corrupt at the time. Now the program is paying the price.
Posted by BilbeauTBaggins
probably stuck in traffic
Member since May 2021
7151 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:53 am to
We'd be a round of 32 team at best. He showed he couldn't win with 2 or 3 NBA players on the court at once and had no idea how to coach defense. Keep dreaming.
Posted by PP7 for heisman
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2011
7408 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 10:56 am to
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Did Woody really have a choice given the direct payment allegations and keeping it from Woody?
I don't think so. The football allegations were really ramping up at the same time, too. It was a bunch of really bad decisions/situations compounded on top of one another that Wade couldn't over come.
Posted by TigersJump
In a land far far away
Member since Feb 2018
2907 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:49 am to
None of their situations were like LSU’s whatsoever. None had their bell cow football program in the crosshairs of the NCAA. Let’s pretend Woodward did what all of you wanted for “the General” and the football program gets hammered. The constant crying about Wade would be a complete 180 from all of you bitches and Woodward would be an idiot for getting LSU football fricked. None of you bitching have any idea what it takes to actually run a top tier multi million dollar business. If you did, you’d already have known to shut the frick up about Will Wade.
Posted by Amused Lurker
Atlanta
Member since Dec 2015
1855 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 11:52 am to
Well said! Woody is running a $200m business as CEO.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 11:53 am
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
46699 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:46 pm to
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you dont know shite NIMROD

all speculation

Well, I implied as much in my post, but you are displaying your usual reading comprehension. If I intended you to understand, Fat Bastard, I would have stuck with “See cat run” level writing
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
132731 posts
Posted on 1/30/25 at 12:50 pm to
IIRC CMM's three year contract should be up by the end of the season. Part ways with CMM and rehire tGeneral and let's get men's basketball back on track.
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