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re: If we get a weak 4, which we should, start Money and roll with the HRs he'll give up

Posted on 5/22/23 at 3:47 pm to
Posted by lsutiger2
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2008
7031 posts
Posted on 5/22/23 at 3:47 pm to
I dunno if its Money but I am not pitching either Skenes or Floyd in game 1 of regional.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
76608 posts
Posted on 5/22/23 at 3:48 pm to
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Agreed. If the four seed has a high-quality #1, will be an interesting decision for Jay.



Surely, you're not suggesting throwing Skenes in the 1-4 game.

I can see an argument to give Floyd the ball over Money, but under no circumstance should Skenes pitch on Friday.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
75516 posts
Posted on 5/22/23 at 3:49 pm to
McNeese’s dude hast faced a P5 team all year though.
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
73796 posts
Posted on 5/22/23 at 3:50 pm to
Skenes should be the Saturday guy regardless.

The decision is whether we attempt to bludgeon our way out of Friday with Money/Dutton/Herring or some combo thereof, or we play it safer with Floyd.
Posted by lsutiger2
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2008
7031 posts
Posted on 5/22/23 at 3:52 pm to
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The decision is whether we attempt to bludgeon our way out of Friday with Money/Dutton/Herring or some combo thereof, or we play it safer with Floyd.

I wonder if there is a possibility to start off with that and if things get hairy bring in Floyd.
Posted by DRock88
Member since Aug 2015
10015 posts
Posted on 5/22/23 at 3:54 pm to
I throw Floyd in game 1. We can bludgeon our way through Sunday.
Posted by JustinT37
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2014
1909 posts
Posted on 5/22/23 at 3:58 pm to
I see Jay throwing Ty for Game 1, Skenes Game 2. Figure out Game 3 & if there is a 4 when we get there.
Posted by Cannon856
Watson
Member since Nov 2019
863 posts
Posted on 5/22/23 at 4:24 pm to
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Also, for the sake of this conversation: Blake Money in SEC games: 8.1 IP over 6 appearances. 0 HR allowed.


Don’t confuse them with stats. These morons think Money gives up 3-4 homers every time he pitches. Here’s some more stats. He’s only given up 6 homers in 32 innings pitched. He’s also never given up multiple homers in any appearance this year.
Posted by LSUcajun77
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2008
22628 posts
Posted on 5/22/23 at 4:28 pm to
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Jax-Tiger


Under no circumstances do you start Skenes against the 4 seed in the first game.

Unless of course every other pitcher suddenly gets kidnapped.
This post was edited on 5/22/23 at 4:31 pm
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
32104 posts
Posted on 5/22/23 at 4:31 pm to
I disagree. I wouldn't want to fight my way out of the loser's bracket. LSU is going to face the No. 1 for whoever they play. While LSU has a great offense, it's not a given they will blast away against a #4 seed's ace. Particularly when you consider the last 3 decent midweek teams LSU has faced (McNeese, Nichols, ULL) have at least held the LSU offense somewhat in check without their No.1 guy on the mound.

Worst case scenario Money gets blasted early, forcing LSU to eat through its already weak bullpen...only to maybe still lose. If that happens, you probably win game 2 with Skenes, but then you're putting the entire season on Floyd's back, only to then know you have to win another game with your shoddy (and maybe now depleted) bullpen handling all of the pitching.

I don't think LSU should start Skenes against a 4 seed, but when you only have 2 reliable pitchers (and even Floyd is susceptible to a bad game), you do everything you can to try to go 2-0 in each round of the tournament so you can work with a buffer once you have to put it in the hands of your 3rd starter/bullpen.

If it is me, I'm starting Floyd in game 1. Skenes in game 2. Then (hopefully) forcing someone else with a more depleted pitching staff to beat me twice...at home. Outside of pitching Skenes, I'm doing whatever it takes to avoid going down 0-1 in the regional.
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
73796 posts
Posted on 5/22/23 at 4:32 pm to
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He hasn't made it 3 innings in any of those appearances. I like Money and he has a role but there is a reason his appearances have been so short. He is also the type of guy who would not shock me if he started a game and went 5-6 giving up 3 or 4.


He's gone 3 or more against the type of teams we will see game 1, he's also had his worst appearances against those same kinds of teams unfortunately. I think he can get through a line up twice and if he's pretty efficient that could get us 4 innings.

Also, I want every non-LSU game in the regional to go to extra innings.
Posted by PositivePaul
Member since May 2023
61 posts
Posted on 5/22/23 at 4:35 pm to
Agree 100%!! Our Bats will still keep us in every game. Teams have started to flip their starters so this could be a great strategy. Geaux Tigers!!
Posted by skullhawk
My house
Member since Nov 2007
25585 posts
Posted on 5/22/23 at 4:38 pm to
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I don't think LSU should start Skenes against a 4 seed, but when you only have 2 reliable pitchers (and even Floyd is susceptible to a bad game), you do everything you can to try to go 2-0 in each round of the tournament so you can work with a buffer once you have to put it in the hands of your 3rd starter/bullpen.


The question is, do you want your bullpen game to come against the 4 seed or a 2 or 3. I feel better about the #4 seed being kept in check.
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12532 posts
Posted on 5/22/23 at 4:52 pm to
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The question is, do you want your bullpen game to come against the 4 seed or a 2 or 3.

But it's not quite that simple. On a deeper level, it's do you want your bullpen game to come against the 4 seed's ace or a 2 or 3 seed's #3?

There are even much deeper levels than that (which JJ is paid to consider & I'm not, thank goodness), but even my superficial understanding knows it's more than just comparing a 4 seed and a 2 or 3 seed.

Posted by subidc
CharlestonSC
Member since Nov 2019
3311 posts
Posted on 5/22/23 at 4:56 pm to
If it’s a weak 4 I may consider pitching off but my lineup would be. Floyd, Skenes, Hurd, and Coleman if needed god forbid. In no way shape or form would I pitch Skenes in game 1. If it’s a weak opponent I may consider starting Hurd and keep his pitch count low to comeback for an inning Monday if we are in a game 4.
Posted by BayouTiga
Louisana
Member since Jan 2012
3274 posts
Posted on 5/22/23 at 5:00 pm to
How do you define weak when weak in state teams beat LSU this year...# NOT A QUESTION!
Posted by 3rdPart Tiger
Member since Oct 2007
6444 posts
Posted on 5/22/23 at 5:01 pm to
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We already lost once to Nicholls this year when they basically threw a different rag arm every inning. I'm assuming that their Friday night starter is better than everyone they used that night. I don't want to chance it.


Yeah, but what about the first time we played them? They used multiple pitchers each inning and we run-ruled them.
Posted by subidc
CharlestonSC
Member since Nov 2019
3311 posts
Posted on 5/22/23 at 5:04 pm to
A SWAC team in my opinion. I wouldn’t consider a team like the other in state teams weak due to their Friday night pitcher. That’s what it all hinges on for me.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
32104 posts
Posted on 5/22/23 at 5:16 pm to
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But it's not quite that simple. On a deeper level, it's do you want your bullpen game to come against the 4 seed's ace or a 2 or 3 seed's #3?



This.

If you go with your bullpen in game one...and lose, then you are putting the season on Floyd (who has been good lately, but not dominant all season) in game 3 only to then have to ask your bullpen, which may be depleted at that point, to win again in what would be game 4.

If you can win game 1 with Floyd and game 2 with Skenes, while also limiting the amount of innings worked by your bullpen, you go into game 3 with a rested bullpen against the third starter of whoever you play knowing you also have some margin for error if you lose.

Saving Skenes for game 2 is the right play. But given how inconsistent LSU's bullpen has been all season I'm not willing to take anymore risk of losing game 1 by starting someone other than Floyd.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
59380 posts
Posted on 5/22/23 at 5:29 pm to
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I dunno if its Money but I am not pitching either Skenes or Floyd in game 1 of regional.



I agree with this. I don't think we can afford to. We are going to have to win a game with the staff not named Skenes/Hurd/etc. and Floyd/Gilbert/Herring etc. Game 1 is the best game to do it...not winner's bracket game.

There will be many who argue this, but I think we are asking for trouble if we choose having to beat a #2 seed once out of two games with our Sunday pitching available.

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