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re: If the bowl game offense is similar to the aTm game-offseason positivity?

Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:44 pm to
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:44 pm to
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it is also true that how we do against those two teams is not terribly informative about how we'll do against a team that has an OK run defense.



UF had a good run defense, as did Ole Miss and Bama.

Imagine how much better we could have moved the ball had those teams couldn't just stack the box.
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:46 pm to
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His last year would have a completion percentage of 70% based off a 20% increase each year. I'd say that's a little better than bad.
I didn't say if his completion percentage improved 20% year over year.

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Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:48 pm to
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I didn't say if his completion percentage improved 20% year over year


Yea, you said this:

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If the dude improved 20% year over year, he'd still be bad.


Unless I magically don't know what words mean, that means you think he could improve as a QB by 20% each year and still be bad. Completion percentage is part of being a QB last time I checked.

Did you want to maybe change your comment to be more realistic?
Posted by tgerb8
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:50 pm to
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Saying that the offense did well against aTm and (hopefully) ND is about as worthwhile as saying the offense did well against Sam Houston State.


What a stupid thing to say. It almost didn't warrant a reply. Almost.



Notre Dame is 70th in total defense and Texas A&M is 103rd. NMSU and Kentucky are the only teams we played with worse overall defense. Mississippi state is down there as well, but they have a very stout run defense (which is why we were only able to do much once we started passing well)

Call me crazy for not getting excited if we move the ball well against a team that has allowed everyone to do so.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:51 pm to
Using other stats, 2016 AJ would finish the year with over 2000 yards passing, with 14.4 TDs and 5.8 INTs. Couple that with our run game and a solid defense, that'd be a great year IMO.
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:51 pm to
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Unless I magically don't know what words mean, that means you think he could improve as a QB by 20% each year and still be bad. Completion percentage is part of being a QB last time I checked.

Did you want to maybe change your comment to be more realistic?


Well, QB rating is another metric for college QBs. An OVERALL metric. And, if you improve his QB rating by 20% year over year, yep, it will still be VERY bad.

So. I'll stand with the original wording. Thanks.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:52 pm to
None of those teams compare to SHSU, but whatever mental gymnastics you need to jump through, you go right ahead.
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:54 pm to
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Using other stats, 2016 AJ would finish the year with over 2000 yards passing, with 14.4 TDs and 5.8 INTs. Couple that with our run game and a solid defense, that'd be a great year IMO.


Oh. And 2000 yards would be 86th in the nation.

Just sayin.
Posted by Geauxgurt
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:54 pm to
Depends. Is Notre Dame still missing 9 starters on defense and more the half of their two deep there as well?

No offense, but offense against a horrid A&M defense and a Notre Dame defense that has been destroyed in the second half of the season doesn't really mean much.

As much as people clamor about playing Notre Dame. Other than the possibility of beating an old name school, this is a lose lose situation for LSU. At least UT had some semblance of a defense to get some kind of read out of.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:54 pm to
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Well, QB rating is another metric for college QBs. An OVERALL metric. And, if you improve his QB rating by 20% year over year, yep, it will still be VERY bad.

So. I'll stand with the original wording. Thanks.


Will it? 115.3 rating this year would equate to 166 in 2016, which would be in the top 10 of this year's passers. You should just stop while you're behind.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:55 pm to
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Oh. And 2000 yards would be 86th in the nation.

Just sayin.



Yards are all that matter
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:55 pm to
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Oh. And 2000 yards would be 86th in the nation.

Just sayin.


And 14 TDs would be 68th in the nation.

Your definition of "great year" must be fascinating. The guy who finishes 30th in the nation must be HISTORICALLY great!!!!
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:57 pm to
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Yards are all that matter
You gave me yards TDs and INTs.

The yards and TD numbers would both be VERY low rated.

Which other stats would you like to imagine?
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:57 pm to
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Your definition of "great year" must be fascinating. The guy who finishes 30th in the nation must be HISTORICALLY great!!!!




Way to take it out of context. Care to read the entire post I made, or just keep cherry picking?
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:59 pm to
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Will it? 115.3 rating this year would equate to 166 in 2016, which would be in the top 10 of this year's passers. You should just stop while you're behind.


ESPN TOTAL QB RATINGS>
Posted by Geauxgurt
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:01 pm to
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Will it? 115.3 rating this year would equate to 166 in 2016, which would be in the top 10 of this year's passers. You should just stop while you're behind.


QB rating is a horrid assessment in College QBs. At the top its fine, but bad QB play still will get you 100. Hell JJ's 2010 rating was 114 or 115.

Before the bowl game with JJ passing with the following stats, he was still at 110 passer rating:

56.8%
104.4 ypg
4 TDs
9 INTS

QBR = 110


So yeah, I don't think assuming a 20% increase is actually smart.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:01 pm to
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Which other stats would you like to imagine?


Let's make it even easier. You chose to make your argument based on QB efficiency. So with a 166 rating, you tell me how it would be a bad season with anything remotely similar to the numbers necessary for a a 166 season rating LINK.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:03 pm to
Oh, so now you're changing it to QBR since rating wasn't getting it done for you. How many times do you plan on moving the goal posts before you just realize maybe you should have went with a smaller percentage?

ETA: And increasing him by 20% would put his rank at 35 out of 121. Imagine if we had that caliber of QB coupled with the rest of our team.
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 1:06 pm
Posted by LSUsuperfresh
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:06 pm to
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There can never be positivity on this board


Downvoted for your negativity. - x - = +?
Posted by tigerfoot
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:18 pm to
the best predictor of future performance is past performance.

I do understand why AJ is starting, he just isn't very good. Therefore, with a poor QB, your offense will just never overcome being poor to mediocre. You just have to have more ability to diversify than we will show.
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