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re: If the bowl game offense is similar to the aTm game-offseason positivity?
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:32 pm to LNCHBOX
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:32 pm to LNCHBOX
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None of those teams compare to SHSU
Besides the fact that they are the 5 worst defensive teams on our schedule? I guess not.
You should "jump through" mental gymnastics more often if you think comparing what our offense did against two bad defenses to what our offense did against another bad defense is absurd.
I'm just saying I'm not going to be overly optimistic for next year if we come out and put up a lot of yards - especially if it's on the ground or via Dural "go" routes.
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Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:34 pm to tgerb8
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Besides the fact that they are the 5 worst defensive teams on our schedule? I guess not.
Does SHSU play in FBS all of a sudden? They'd get beat by any of the other 4 teams.
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You should "jump through" mental gymnastics more often if you think comparing what our offense did against two bad defenses to what our offense did against another bad defense is absurd.
This is another one that almost merits no response. Those two defense are light years ahead of SHSU's. Sorry facts hurt your brain.
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I'm just saying I'm not going to be overly optimistic for next year if we come out and put up a lot of yards - especially if it's on the ground or via Dural "go" routes.
Considering that isn't how we got yards on A&M, and the premise of this thread is that offense, I'm failing to see your point.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:48 pm to ShortyRob
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Oh. And 2000 yards would be 86th in the nation. Just sayin.
However, such an improvement in the passing game would probably translate to an improvement in the running game, so that would probably lead to a significant improvement in Total Offense ranking.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:59 pm to LNCHBOX
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You should "jump through" mental gymnastics more often if you think comparing what our offense did against two bad defenses to what our offense did against another bad defense is absurd.
This is another one that almost merits no response. Those two defense are light years ahead of SHSU's. Sorry facts hurt your brain.
MF..
The point is the offense looked serviceable against these terrible defenses.. Therefore.. looking serviceable against another bad defense is no reason to be optimistic..
We had 16 percent less yards against A&M than we did against SHSU. SO if you're going to attack my comparison, "light years ahead" is just as ridiculous.
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Considering that isn't how we got yards on A&M
Really? 107 out of 491 yards were passing.. What do you figure the other 78 percent were?
Posted on 12/9/14 at 1:59 pm to ShortyRob
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I mean yeah, theoretically, you don't care who the QB is as long as he performs.
And yet everyone just assumes that the QB on the bench is better.
The retardation of LSU fans knows no bounds.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 2:03 pm to tgerb8
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Really? 107 out of 491 yards were passing.. What do you figure the other 78 percent were?
They weren't runs straight up the middle (which you were saying), which was the whole point of this thread. The misdirection, jet sweeps etc were a wrinkle of our offense that was rarely seen until this game. Apparently that fact is being lost on you.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 2:11 pm to LNCHBOX
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Apparently that fact is being lost on you.
That fact is lost on a lot of people on here. I just laugh at the stupidity at this point.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 2:35 pm to cas4t
1) what about the offensive changes vs aTm would lead anyone to believe it would stop teams from stacking the box? absurd
The threat of successfully throwing the ball is what stops a defense from stacking the box....not just the threat of throwing it. LSU could not successfully throw the ball against one of the worst defenses in CFB. What on earth makes you think good defenses will be threatened by this?
2) offensive success vs defenses as putrid as aTm & ND tells you very little about the direction of the offense. this is not at all difficult to comprehend.
We should be able to pound the rock & win (& be happy about a bowl win, albeit a crappy bowl). But to think that runnning a few jet sweeps or read options will change the game plan of good defenses vs LSU in the future is pretty delusional.
The threat of successfully throwing the ball is what stops a defense from stacking the box....not just the threat of throwing it. LSU could not successfully throw the ball against one of the worst defenses in CFB. What on earth makes you think good defenses will be threatened by this?
2) offensive success vs defenses as putrid as aTm & ND tells you very little about the direction of the offense. this is not at all difficult to comprehend.
We should be able to pound the rock & win (& be happy about a bowl win, albeit a crappy bowl). But to think that runnning a few jet sweeps or read options will change the game plan of good defenses vs LSU in the future is pretty delusional.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 2:48 pm to TN Bhoy
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There can never be positivity on this board
Not true. First off, had we fielded even a semblance of decent QB play this year, there would be positivity out the wazoo across the board. Secondly, our record would be way better.
Anyone feeling good about the QB situation moving into next year must have completely missed this season.
One JJ/JL debacle in a lifetime is enough.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 2:52 pm to tigerfoot
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I do understand why AJ is starting, he just isn't very good.
Can you explain it to me?
In 4 common games where each got meaningful snaps(SHSU, NMSU, MSU, and Auburn)
QB-A threw for 57 percent (24-42), 438 Yards, and 6 Tds (1 INT).
He ran for 144
QB-B threw for 50 percent (27-54), 440 Yards, and 3 TDs (2 INT).
He ran for 65
I'm sure you can guess which is which...
And we're just supposed to say well he just doesn't know the offense as well as Jennings?? Fine.. that might be true, but it hasn't stopped him from producing much better results on the field.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 2:56 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:That's actually the first thing I looked at when I made the original post you responded to. Then, you cited yardage and TDs so, I responded by how horrible those numbers actually would be.
Oh, so now you're changing it to QBR since rating wasn't getting it done for you.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 2:58 pm to ShortyRob
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That's actually the first thing I looked at when I made the original post you responded to. Then, you cited yardage and TDs so, I responded by how horrible those numbers actually would be.
Those numbers look good within the context of the offense we run, but you'll never admit that apparently.
You've yet to acknowledge that increasing whicher efficiency rating you decide on by 20% for each of the next two seasons would be better than "bad," which was your words not mine. Pick your words better next time.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 3:03 pm to LNCHBOX
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ShortyRob
quote:why are you two assuming that AJ will improve by 20%?
LNCHBOX
I can't even follow what you're arguing about.
It appears to be very trivial details that are totally hypothetical.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 3:05 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:Not me. In fact, I've repeatedly said that my concern at this point is that as godawful as AJ has been, it is not a good sign that the guy behind him couldn't overtake him. I mean, frankly, you really wouldn't have to look THAT good in practice to have overtaken AJ. Even if one thinks Miles is stubborn as frick, one would assume that a glaring difference would drive him to try BH more.
And yet everyone just assumes that the QB on the bench is better.
Hence, it appears that if there is a difference, it hasn't been substantial.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 3:09 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:If a team has the 86th rated QB yards wise and 68th TD's wise(again, assuming massive improvement), that team is VERY ripe for problems when they run into a run stopping defense. All the time? No. Of course not. But, that team is VERY likely to have at least a couple of games where they need the QB and then, they're screwed.
Those numbers look good within the context of the offense we run, but you'll never admit that apparently.
How bout you admit something. In past years, If we were about to play a team with such a QB, we would all be crowing about how our defense was going to stuff them and force their QB to beat us which we would be utterly confident would not happen.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 3:11 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
quote:We aren't. I said that if AJ improved by 20% year over year, he'd still be bad. Then LNCHBOX said something about improving yardage by 20% which I didn't actually say. And off to the races we went.
why are you two assuming that AJ will improve by 20%?
Frankly, a QB improving by 20% year over year isn't terribly likely.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 3:11 pm to Billy Ray Valentine
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why are you two assuming that AJ will improve by 20%?
I can't even follow what you're arguing about.
It appears to be very trivial details that are totally hypothetical
ShortyRob brought it up.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 3:12 pm to ShortyRob
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How bout you admit something. In past years, If we were about to play a team with such a QB, we would all be crowing about how our defense was going to stuff them and force their QB to beat us which we would be utterly confident would not happen.
This has nothing to do with what we are discussing.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 3:13 pm to LNCHBOX
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This has nothing to do with what we are discussing.
Posted on 12/9/14 at 3:15 pm to ShortyRob
Explain how that has any relevance to discussing AJ's hypothetical improvements.
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