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re: If Rohan Had Been QB in 2006, We Win the NC
Posted on 8/15/08 at 9:47 am to tubucoco
Posted on 8/15/08 at 9:47 am to tubucoco
quote:
reed/clayton/meyers?
like clayton/dev/skyler?
not as good as Bowe/Early/Doucet
Really? Reed won the Biletnekoff award for best college wr, Clayton was one of the most amazing LSU recievers of all time and is a very good pro player, Devery was outstanding and is having a decent pro career. That's very debatable, but very interesting.
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Posted on 8/15/08 at 9:48 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
there are people in this thread RIGHT NOW saying JR was nothing more than a strong-armed retard on the field who couldn't read defenses.
Well,that assertation in and of itself is 'retarded'.But,not everyone who isn't willing to declare Russell the best ever,or who may even entertain someone else was his equal does not also think Russell wasn't also an outstanding quarterback. If someone says LSU's 2003 team was better than the '07 team (or vice versa) does it automatically mean they hate the other team ?
Posted on 8/15/08 at 9:49 am to ATLTiger
I hear ya, ATL Tiger. I saw the video and especially the pass he threw in 0T against Tennessee. Without realizing how it would come across, I just tried to praise Rohan by putting him in a different situation.
No offense to JR intended.
There is obviously a lot of bad blood on this issue. What is funny is that I was always a big JR defender, even after that Auburn game. The response to a simple post has been amazing.
No offense to JR intended.
There is obviously a lot of bad blood on this issue. What is funny is that I was always a big JR defender, even after that Auburn game. The response to a simple post has been amazing.
Posted on 8/15/08 at 9:49 am to tubucoco
quote:
I just said Flynn was a avg QB
for the most part he was
people even bring up his "Great" game against Miami when he threw for less than 60% and 200 yards
in comparison JR had a similar game against Arky in 2006 that somebody said trindon had to "bail him out" in
JR had a better rating, as a sophomore, in 2005 than Flynn did in 2007
JR had a higher completion rate in 2005 than Flynn did in 2007
JR threw for over 1 yard higher in ypa in 2005 than Flynn did in 2007
Flynn had better INT rates and TD:INT in those years
Both got hurt in those years
Both were starting as the #1 guy for the first time in their careers in those years
JR was a RS Soph, MF was a RS Sr
2005 LSU ran for 3.9 ypc and 1951 yards (and 21 TDs). 2007 LSU ran for 4.9 ypc and 2998 yards (and 35 TDs).
2005 LSU made it to the SECCG where the starter got hurt. 2007 LSU made it to the SECCG where the starter got hurt
2005 LSU, QB'd by the backup, lost the SECCG. 2007 LSU QB'd by the backup, won the SECCG.
2005 LSU ended up with 2 losses (ONE in the regular season). 2007 LSU ended up with 2 losses.
the 2 teams in the 2005 NC Game had 0 losses combined entering the game. the 2 teams in the 2007 NC Game had 3 losses combined entering the game
This post was edited on 8/15/08 at 9:51 am
Posted on 8/15/08 at 9:50 am to I-59 Tiger
quote:
If someone says LSU's 2003 team was better than the '07 team (or vice versa) does it automatically mean they hate the other team ?
not at all
now go tell that to all the anti-JR people (mostly in the pro-flynn corner) who have this chip on their shoulder
Posted on 8/15/08 at 9:51 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:
That said, Flynn was terrible in that game.
He was actually ok after settling in. But def not the reason we lost.
Posted on 8/15/08 at 9:52 am to AlaTiger
For my next post, I think I will entitle it:
If Saban had bee coach in 2006, we would have won the NC.
How would THAT go over?
Kidding about that, by the way.
If Saban had bee coach in 2006, we would have won the NC.
How would THAT go over?
Kidding about that, by the way.
Posted on 8/15/08 at 9:52 am to I-59 Tiger
quote:
If someone says LSU's 2003 team was better than the '07 team (
What?? How can you say that 2003 was a better.......just kidding? Tensions seem to be pretty high. Nothing like the smell of testosterone early in the morning.
Posted on 8/15/08 at 9:58 am to geauxjo
testosterone early in the morning.
Posted on 8/15/08 at 10:02 am to AlaTiger
This was actually kind of an interesting thread (to me at least). You and I see some things alike (Ro's touch, JR underthrowing Early). I just wouldn't have made the thread because inevitably it leads to somebody going too far with the JR bashing, and then somebody who's a JR fan going overboard defending him. Actually I wouldn't have gone so far as to say we win it all with Ro, maybe score more points against Auburn, but that'd be about it.
Posted on 8/15/08 at 10:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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JR was the most clutch QB i have seen in CFB in a long time
seriously?
Posted on 8/15/08 at 11:00 am to Lester Earl
how many 4th quarter comebacks did we have under JR in 2004-2006
Posted on 8/15/08 at 11:16 am to jlsutiger
quote:too late
If the day crew gets a hold of this you are toast.
Posted on 8/15/08 at 11:18 am to AlaTiger
well everyone forgets that on fourth down auburn had a no call obvious pass interference that was not called...that eventually ended up being the ball game
Posted on 8/15/08 at 11:19 am to SlowFlowPro
for the most part he was
people even bring up his "Great" game against Miami when he threw for less than 60% and 200 yards
in comparison JR had a similar game against Arky in 2006 that somebody said trindon had to "bail him out" in
JR had a better rating, as a sophomore, in 2005 than Flynn did in 2007
JR had a higher completion rate in 2005 than Flynn did in 2007
JR threw for over 1 yard higher in ypa in 2005 than Flynn did in 2007
Flynn had better INT rates and TD:INT in those years
Both got hurt in those years
Both were starting as the #1 guy for the first time in their careers in those years
JR was a RS Soph, MF was a RS Sr
2005 LSU ran for 3.9 ypc and 1951 yards (and 21 TDs). 2007 LSU ran for 4.9 ypc and 2998 yards (and 35 TDs).
2005 LSU made it to the SECCG where the starter got hurt. 2007 LSU made it to the SECCG where the starter got hurt
2005 LSU, QB'd by the backup, lost the SECCG. 2007 LSU QB'd by the backup, won the SECCG.
2005 LSU ended up with 2 losses (ONE in the regular season). 2007 LSU ended up with 2 losses.
the 2 teams in the 2005 NC Game had 0 losses combined entering the game. the 2 teams in the 2007 NC Game had 3 losses combined entering the game Flynn has an SECC ring and a NC ring. JR does not (as a player).
people even bring up his "Great" game against Miami when he threw for less than 60% and 200 yards
in comparison JR had a similar game against Arky in 2006 that somebody said trindon had to "bail him out" in
JR had a better rating, as a sophomore, in 2005 than Flynn did in 2007
JR had a higher completion rate in 2005 than Flynn did in 2007
JR threw for over 1 yard higher in ypa in 2005 than Flynn did in 2007
Flynn had better INT rates and TD:INT in those years
Both got hurt in those years
Both were starting as the #1 guy for the first time in their careers in those years
JR was a RS Soph, MF was a RS Sr
2005 LSU ran for 3.9 ypc and 1951 yards (and 21 TDs). 2007 LSU ran for 4.9 ypc and 2998 yards (and 35 TDs).
2005 LSU made it to the SECCG where the starter got hurt. 2007 LSU made it to the SECCG where the starter got hurt
2005 LSU, QB'd by the backup, lost the SECCG. 2007 LSU QB'd by the backup, won the SECCG.
2005 LSU ended up with 2 losses (ONE in the regular season). 2007 LSU ended up with 2 losses.
the 2 teams in the 2005 NC Game had 0 losses combined entering the game. the 2 teams in the 2007 NC Game had 3 losses combined entering the game Flynn has an SECC ring and a NC ring. JR does not (as a player).
Posted on 8/15/08 at 11:22 am to lsufanatic924
quote:
well everyone forgets that on fourth down auburn had a no call obvious pass interference that was not called...that eventually ended up being the ball game
Define "everyone"
Posted on 8/15/08 at 11:26 am to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:
Flynn has an SECC ring and a NC ring. JR does not (as a player).
team stat, and the team flynn won it all with did not perform as well as the 2005 squad that JR QB'd in the regular season
1 loss v 2 losses
This post was edited on 8/15/08 at 11:27 am
Posted on 8/15/08 at 11:30 am to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:
ynn has an SECC ring and a NC ring. JR does not
because other teams lost. We had the same SEC record in 2007 as 2006, the reason we played in the SEC CG in 07 and not 06 is because in 06, Arkansas went 7-1, we beat them, the rest is beyond our control, lucky for us, no other team went 7-1 and Arkansas has already lost 3 conference games.
Posted on 8/15/08 at 11:38 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
how many 4th quarter comebacks did we have under JR in 2004-2006
a lot, I am not denying that
but the disasters vs AUB and FL in 06 trump most of those comebacks. IT kept us out of hte national title game.
and how many games was it his fault that we were even behind? see Tenn game that same year. That has to count for something.
And like Ive said hundreds of times on here, JR is prob my fav QB ever to watch play. But the reality is he wasnt perfect. And i dont think he was the most clutch, taking into account what i just mentioned. He led a lot of comebacks, no doubt. But he put the team behind in some of those, and in instances like AUB and FL, esp FL, he totally fricked us.
This post was edited on 8/15/08 at 11:41 am
Posted on 8/15/08 at 11:49 am to Lester Earl
I agree with this post almost entirely, except that I don't think he fricked us in UF 06. Of those 3 picks, I'd only really put the one that was going to Lafell on him. Hell I wouldn't say totally fricked against AU, made some mistakes, but the playcalling and refs hurt about as much as his mistakes.
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