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re: If Oregon was in the SEC, they'd be crushed
Posted on 9/5/11 at 11:50 am to QuackAttack716
Posted on 9/5/11 at 11:50 am to QuackAttack716
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In this hypothetical situation/alternate universe, if Oregon was in the south they would be in the heartland of football and have recruiting pipelines in the richest, star-laden states. We would have an SEC defense and an SEC o-line that would hold its own in the trenches and our offense wouldn't get stifled like this. It's much harder to recruit those athletes all the way from the Pacific Northwest because kids like to stay close to home.
So you're saying that if Oregon had a different team...SEC caliber players, that you could compete in the SEC?
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Posted on 9/5/11 at 11:50 am to QuackAttack716
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if Oregon was in the south
With that one line you changed the entire premise of the argument. That being if Oregon, geographically situated as is, were in the SEC. You can't take a premise and alter it as it suits you and then claim the original premise is flawed.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 11:50 am to Y.A. Tittle
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I always thought the whole point of such a 'what if' argument, was putting a West Coast team AS IS in the S.E.C. Of course, it's ridiculous breaking it down as you envision.
There's obviously a big difference between saying 'this years' Oregon team in any given year, versus the Oregon program as a whole. I agree with the premise that UO as a program would do well in the long term (great resources), but in any given year as a one-off member, they'd be an Arkansas. Talented enough to be dangerous, but not a real contender without some luck.....
Posted on 9/5/11 at 11:51 am to QuackAttack716
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If Oregon was in the SEC ...
Well you're not.
Thus, you're not as good as those in the SEC.
Deal with it.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 11:52 am to Jamohn
well in regards to greater competition, hopefully we find out as soon as next year with a new PAC-16. I'm really hoping it happens. More competition in conference forces all programs to work harder and get better.
I hope the Fiesta Bowl becomes a PAC-16 vs. SEC bowl game. We need a yearly bowl game between our conferences.
I hope the Fiesta Bowl becomes a PAC-16 vs. SEC bowl game. We need a yearly bowl game between our conferences.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 11:52 am to QuackAttack716
quote:Maybe. But this hypothetical Nike U is something totally different. Again, my point is that when people discuss how Oregon would do in the SEC, they're only looking at a narrowly-tailored hypothetical situation, in which Oregon's football program as currently constructed plays an SEC schedule where the travel distances, time issues, and any other logistical variables are standardized. I'm not making up this scenario, I'm just pointing out what the statement you're trying to discredit actually means. Once again, I think the actual statement is misguided, I just take exception with how you're going about proving it.
Maybe instead of Oregon I should have said Nike U. If it wasn't for him then we wouldn't have players like James or Thomas...we would be Washington State.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 11:52 am to QuackAttack716
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This post was edited on 9/5/11 at 11:54 am
Posted on 9/5/11 at 11:53 am to QuackAttack716
To be honest, I don't think you'd be running the type of offense you're running if you were in the SEC. You'd be a completely different team.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 11:55 am to LSU NO Tigah
If Oregon ran that type of offense in the SEC, they'd be down to 3rd string by the 11th game b/c of injury.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 11:57 am to RealityTiger
quote:Similar things where said about Urban Meyer when he got to UF. It's all about the athletes.
If Oregon ran that type of offense in the SEC, they'd be down to 3rd string by the 11th game b/c of injury.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 11:59 am to prplhze2000
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YOu have the horses to play one game and beat most SEC teams but not week in and week out.
Well stated. The Big-12, Pac-12 or Big-10 only have 1-2 big games a year. The SEC it's double that. LSU's schedule this year is ridiculous.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 11:59 am to QuackAttack716
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If it wasn't for him then we wouldn't have players like James or Thomas...we would be Washington State.
Please tell me more ... If Knight is simply an alumnus/booster, how does he influence the roster?
Posted on 9/5/11 at 12:00 pm to QuackAttack716
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I want to make it clear that in no shape or form am I whining about recruiting. You win bcs bowls, you will bring in good recruits no matter where you are.
Actually, you should be whining.
Southern schools win championships, not just BCS bowls. Southern athletes will not venture across the country into a community & culture they are not as familiar and/or comfortable with,
...especially if they can stay at home or move just a state over and compete for a title.
Including Texas, of the 105 guys listed on the Ducks roster, only 7 athletes are from the South:
Darron Thomas (Tex), Brennan Doty (Tex), Josh Huff (Tex), Brian Jackson (Ala), Issac Dixon (Fla), Eric Dungy (Fla), and Tacoi Sumler.
This ratio will not change unless you win multiple championships* like the AP said USC did.
So if Oregon joined the SEC, yes, you would be crushed...routinely.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 12:00 pm to Gray Tiger
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They wouldn't be Oregon.
The premise doesn't make a lot of sense, does the State of Oregon get physically detached and moved to the the Gulf or South Atlantic coast? (It could be a nice hurrican buffer with those mountains to absorb storm surge.) Do the demographics of the state get changed by mass movements of population?
Posted on 9/5/11 at 12:00 pm to Gray Tiger
You cannot compare the Ducks to Vandy, UK, or Ole Miss. If that school, with its current facilities and Mr. Nike were located in the south, they would be just like the Gumps, UF, and LSU; competing damn near every year. With that said, they aren't and they're not...
GL Ducks. I hope you run the table...
GL Ducks. I hope you run the table...
Posted on 9/5/11 at 12:00 pm to QuackAttack716
It is ridiculous. Oregon would be the equivalent of South Carolina over the course of time. They would rise up to have a special team for 2-3 year spans once a decade, and then be average.
They would average 2.5 SEC losses per year over the long haul, with an SEC CG appearance about once, maybe twice, per decade.
That there is the truth. No hyperbole no bias, just the flat out freakin truth.
They would average 2.5 SEC losses per year over the long haul, with an SEC CG appearance about once, maybe twice, per decade.
That there is the truth. No hyperbole no bias, just the flat out freakin truth.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 12:01 pm to QuackAttack716
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If Oregon was in the SEC, they'd be crushed
I think this argument is absolutely ridiculous.
In this hypothetical situation/alternate universe, if Oregon was in the south they would be in the heartland of football and have recruiting pipelines in the richest, star-laden states. We would have an SEC defense and an SEC o-line that would hold its own in the trenches and our offense wouldn't get stifled like this. It's much harder to recruit those athletes all the way from the Pacific Northwest because kids like to stay close to home.
Okay. Try to keep up with the actual argument. No one is talking about your university, your alumni, your professors, or your physical campus. Of course, if you were in the South, you wouldn't be Oregon.
We are talking about your Oregon team/program as it is RIGHT NOW. If you put THAT team in the SEC, they would not fare as well as they do in the Pac-12.
That is the argument and it is right.
Although, now our SEC brethren are making the argument that Oregon isn't any good at all and that is why LSU beat you like a drum. That isn't true either. You are plenty good and will likely win your conference.
Actually, I am pulling for Oregon to blow out every opponent from here on out. It makes us look better.
Geaux Ducks!
Posted on 9/5/11 at 12:01 pm to QuackAttack716
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If Oregon was in the SEC, they'd be crushed
Na.
They'd be in the top 5 teams, probably.
I think Oregon would struggle with Bama, Florida, LSU etc. Maybe Georgia (though not current Georgia). But they'd take care of business with the rest.
Plus, defending that offense is a lot harder to do on a week-to-week basis than when you have months to prepare.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 12:09 pm to OBUDan
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Plus, defending that offense is a lot harder to do on a week-to-week basis than when you have months to prepare.
Auburn and LSU showed the rest of the country what you need to do to stop it. And the great thing about it is you get the team in better shape than they would have been had they not had to prepare for it.
If Oregon was in the SEC, every single SEC team would do the same thing in preseason and that offense would get countered.
It took a couple 2, maybe 3 years for the upper echelon of the SEC to figure our Urban Meyer and more importantly Tim Tebow. Case in point.
Posted on 9/5/11 at 12:17 pm to QuackAttack716
more thoughts - this year's team is vastly weaker than last year at the moment. Lost a lot of talent on the d-line and at linebacker, and lost vets on the o-line. Matthews (yee starting for the Eagles), Bair, Clark, Rowe, Paysinger, Talmadge Jackson, (and Cliff Harris) were all gone from last year's defense. I hope the young guys can gel quickly.
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QB-Jordan Jefferson
O-line-(Barskdale, Josh D(injury)
WR-T (Tolliver, Shepard(suspended)
DL-(Nevis,Levingston)
LB-(Kelvin Sheppard) (Heart of the Defense)
DB-Patrick (all everything) Peterson
LSU lost a hell of lot more talent than Oregon did last year. Cliff Harris is a big time playmaker but so is R. Shepard. U guys lost, so stop making excuses. I would be more upset about my gimmicky offense folding in big games.
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QB-Jordan Jefferson
O-line-(Barskdale, Josh D(injury)
WR-T (Tolliver, Shepard(suspended)
DL-(Nevis,Levingston)
LB-(Kelvin Sheppard) (Heart of the Defense)
DB-Patrick (all everything) Peterson
LSU lost a hell of lot more talent than Oregon did last year. Cliff Harris is a big time playmaker but so is R. Shepard. U guys lost, so stop making excuses. I would be more upset about my gimmicky offense folding in big games.
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