re: If Ole Miss hires Miles, who will have the better head coach?

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Not everyone was giddy about jimbo. It is probably before your time, but there were a LOT of Lsu fans that wanted jimbo gone when he was here.

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So your contention is CEO shouldn't be judged by past performance running a program and your proof of evidence is Jimbo Fisher not being liked by some LSU fans during his stay at LSU as OC?

You can't be serious.

Jimbo won a NC as OC at LSU. Also won a NC as HC at FSU and coached for another.

CEO was out of football 3 years ago. Has two stints of 5-2 of interim HC and a 3-21 SEC record when he had to run a program full time.

Those are facts. No wonder you resort to name calling and distraction.

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Jimbo won a NC as OC at LSU. Also won a NC as HC at FSU and coached for another.

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please no facts sir!

also.........record breaking offenses at LSu in 2001 and 2003

also a laundry list of NFL QB's he has developed.

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When Orgeron took over at Ole Miss did he have a 5 star QB and his team filtered with top talent that was acquired through cheating from the previous staff???

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Coach O was hired at Ole Miss because the previous coach, Coach David Cutcliffe who had recruited those players couldn’t win with his own players, and David Cutcliffe is a pretty damn good coach.

In fact, for three years Coach O couldn’t win with that previous coach’s mediocre players either and then got fired even though he had one more year remaining on his contract. Coach Houston Nutt was then hired by Ole Miss and won for three years in a row with Coach O’s players until Coach O’s players graduated. Then suddenly Houston Nutt couldn’t win with his own players and ended up getting fired. Then Hugh Escort Freeze was hired by Ole Miss and we all know the rest of the story.

Hence, Coach O was not nearly as bad of a coach at Ole Miss as his haters deliberately make him out to be out of context. Indeed, look at Houston Nutt’s success with Coach O’s players, for instance. In fact, Hugh Escort Freeze says that had Coach O been given the final year of his contract, the program would have been turned around at that point and in all probability Coach O would still be the head coach at Ole Miss today.

Is what Coach O did at Ole Miss unprecedented? No, it’s not. For instance, Charlie Strong put himself in a similar position at Texas as Coach O did at Ole Miss, and he also couldn’t win with another previous coach’s mediocre players either. Then ended up getting fired at the end of his third year with another year remaining on his contract just like Coach O.

Meanwhile, everyone is claiming that Texas will be much improved this year, not because of Tom Herman so much, but because of the players Charlie Strong recruited. I sure hope that Tom Herman can recruit, because in four years he will be playing his own players.

Anyway, the moral of the story is Coach O is not nearly as bad as he is deliberately made out to be by his haters. Not to mention, that Coach O also says that he met with his former mentors Coach Jimmy Johnson and Coach Pete Carroll after being fired from Ole Miss and went over all his perceived mistakes during his tenure at Ole Miss to learn what he could have done better because he knew that someday in the future he would get another opportunity to be a head coach.

Then subsequently Coach O was named the interim head coach at USC, turned the program around and ended up salvaging their season. Then again, at LSU, Coach O had a second opportunity to become an interim head coach, turned LSU’s program around and again ended up salvaging LSU’s season.

Meanwhile, subsequently Coach O was hired to be the head football coach at LSU after both Coach Jimmy Johnson and Coach Pete Carroll, two great icons of coaching, gave Joe Alleva their highest recommendations and expressed full confidence in Coach O’s ability to be a great head football coach.

It’s is only his haters and his detractors, most of them previous Miles’ buttlickers, that vilify and demonize Coach O as being the worst coach ever in the history of SEC football without even giving him a chance one way or another to prove himself long-term at LSU.

To be honest, nobody really knows if he is going to be a worthy head coach or not, but judging by the coordinators and coaches he has hired, the way he rearranged the practices, the attitude of the players towards him and the new coaching staff, along with their new found energy level and enthusiasm, the very excellent job Coach O did recruiting last year, and the way he has represented himself and the university since taking the job, he appears to be quite a step up to me relative to Miles, especially in the communications department.

Nonetheless, none of that matters unless he proves himself on the football field by winning championships, and I think he can do it. Indeed, I feel we have a lot better shot at winning than we did with mediocre Miles.

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Jimbo rejected LSU. He was not an option when O was hired

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Negative. Jimbo countered with a roughly 7.3 million dollar annual salary. That's not a rejection, that's called business. It was LSU that was not willing to pay for a championship caliber coach. As a result, they didn't get one.

This is not that complicated.

We will have the better coaching staff, and I believe O will be much better at delegating authority.

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but how in the hell do you compare what O inherited when he took over Ole Miss to what Miles would inherit now?

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Let’s look at what Les Miles inherited when he arrived at LSU to be the head football coach relative to what Coach O inherited when he arrived at Ole Miss? When Miles arrived at LSU, Nick Saban before he left had already recruited and stockpiled another national championship team. In fact, LSU was loaded to the gills. Not to mention that Miles initial first year recruiting was very mediocre at best relative to previous years.

In any event, I will never forget Miles losing to a very mediocre Tennessee football team at home after a twenty-one-point lead at half time in 2005. That Arizona game we won the week before also looked very shaky to me after we got lucky and JeMarcus Russell pulled that winning pass out of his arse. Anyway, we ended up going 11 - 2 in 2005 and everyone thought Miles was a Gawd.

Meanwhile, Coach O inherited a very mediocre team that had caused the previous head coach, Coach Cutcliffe, to be fired. In fact, when he was fired by Ole Miss, Cutcliffe’s piss poor recruiting along with his weak defense were cited as the two main reasons he was fired.

In any event, when Miles got the job, Nick Saban had just won a National Championship in 2003 and LSU couldn’t have been more loaded. In fact, there was a future National Championship team already recruited and stockpiled in the house and it really should have been two National Championship teams already recruited and stockpiled because we should have won one in 2006 too.

I state that we should have won two National Championships with the players Saban had already stockpiled for Miles, as I believe we had an even better football team in 2006 than we had in 2007. Not to mention, that in 2007 we got very lucky indeed because we had to back our way into the National Championship Game after Miles also blew two games in 2007 we should never have lost.

Indeed, it’s obvious, Miles didn’t make LSU. Instead, it was LSU that made Miles courtesy of Nick Saban. At best, Miles has always been a mediocre head coach at one of the best college football programs in the country. LSU was always able to recruit well because it was LSU, not because Les Miles was a great football coach and a great recruiter. I believe that had we had someone else other than Les Miles as head coach during those same years, that we would have easily won at least two more National Championships.

Now today after Miles has thankfully been fired by LSU, no one wants to touch him with a 10-foot pole even though Miles has one of the greatest records in college football today because everyone knows that LSU made Miles instead of the other way around, Miles making LSU. Everyone except for the many Miles' brown nosers and the many Coach O detractors that is.

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If Les goes there, is he going to bring along Cam as OC?

How would that affect Patterson's career?

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That's why Jimbo left. It doesn't matter who he brings in, Miles will still run the offense.

If Ole Miss is dumb enough to hire Les Miles then the AD should be fired immediately.

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They also did this for him to get the job at OM.

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How do you know moonbat? Can you document it? If you can't document it, it didn't happen, and I'll take their high praise before I'll ever take anything from an unhinged mentally incompetent loser like you.

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And using "Cutcliffe's players" as an excuse is such a cop out.

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It's not a cop out Einstein. It was the main reasons cited why Coach Cutcliffe was fired. Not to mention, that Coach Cutcliffe couldn't win with those mediocre players either. In addition, Houston Nutt won with Coach O's players immediately for three years in a row until Coach O's players all graduated, and then suddenly Houston Nutt couldn't win with his own players and got fired. The truth is Hugh Escort Freeze who knows a hell of a lot more about the situation than a hater and a moron like you will ever know, says that had coach O been given his final year of his contract, the team would have been turned around at that point and that Coach O would probably still be the head coach at Ole Miss today. In fact, that has been proven out simply due to the fact that Coach Houston Nutt won with Coach O's players for three years and then couldn't win with his own players. I guess that's a cop out too right Einstein?

In addition, Charlie Strong put himself in a similar situation at Texas. He also couldn't win with the previous head coach's mediocre players and like Coach O also ended up being fired after three years with one year remaining on his contract. I suppose that is a cop out too? Hence, do you think Charlie Strong was just lucky when he was at Louisville?

You're an ignoramus dude, that's all I got to say with respect to you.

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Houston Nutt won with Coach O's players immediately

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Then why couldn't O win with his own players immediately? His teams got worse as his tenure went on.

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Hence, do you think Charlie Strong was just lucky when he was at Louisville?

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Was O just unlucky at OM?