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re: If Ole Miss hires Miles, who will have the better head coach?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 2:49 am to BayouBengals18
Posted on 7/25/17 at 2:49 am to BayouBengals18
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Exactly. O wasn't given a 4th year because the team got worse in his 3rd year. He's spouting bull shite without even knowing what really went on at OM.
Coach O signed a four-year deal to rebuild the Ole Miss’s football program. However, Ole Miss screwed him over and fired him after only three years, even though at the time he was fired, for all intents and purposes, the team was already rebuilt. Indeed, Coach Houston Nutt’s record of winning immediately with Coach O’s players for three years straight irrefutably proves it.
Meanwhile, nobody should have cared about Cutcliffe’s mediocre players as no one not even Coach Cutcliffe could win with those mediocre players.
And the same thing happened to Charlie Strong, he too was given a four-year contract to rebuild the Texas program. Yet, like Coach O he got the rug pulled out from under him after only three years. Thus, we will soon find out if he did as good of a job as Coach O did. If Tom Herman is able to win this season immediately with Strong’s players, then we will know that firing Charlie Strong was the wrong thing for Texas to do. Just like Ole Miss firing Coach O was the wrong thing for them to do as well.
Had Ole Miss gave Coach O that fourth and final year of his contract, they could have saved themselves a lot of money and a lot of misery over the years. Indeed, they brought all the crap that happened to them since then upon themselves. In fact, Ole Miss shot themselves in the foot when they fired coach O and because of it, they have had more than their fair share of problems. Oh, the webs we weave when we seek to deceive.
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 2:54 am to nvasil1
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Because he's only taking interviews to meet the terms of his buyout, Einstein.
You're full of crap moron. That means he is violating the terms of his contract, and if he is, then LSU should terminate it right this minute.
Like I said, you are just a useless waste of time moonbat.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 2:57 am to BayouBengals18
Cutcliffe's record is irrelevant, Cutcliffe was fired for primarily piss poor recruiting.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 3:17 am to earl keese
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So saban had these National Championship teams on campus but he could only win 9 games with said championship team in 2004? And as I pointed out earlier, Saban was lucky to get past Oregon State to start 2004.
Nobody cares about a close game in 2004 you moonbat, figure it out. Nonetheless Einstein the players that won in 2007 were already recruited and on campus when Miles arrived, and those players should have won in 2006 as well, had it not been for Les Miles.
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Why hadn't it been done before at LSU? Since Miles is such a retard in your eyes, there sure as hell should have been somebody else that should won that many games or had that winning percentage at LSU.
Because Nick Saban hadn’t arrived at LSU yet. It was Nick Saban that proved that LSU was a sleeping giant and it was in Saban’s tenure that most of the current excellent facilities were built.
Meanwhile, Miles isn’t a retard in my eyes, but in the eyes of all people who aren’t mentally handicapped like you. That’s why he can’t get a job. Indeed, no one today will touch that incompetent with a 10-foot pole. Instead, they all avoid him like the plague.
Nonetheless, moonbat, since you love Miles so much why don’t you go marry him. I think you guys would make a perfect gay couple together.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 4:03 am to nitwit
LSU will have the better coaching staff and it isnt close. Miles is a decent head coach but at Ole Miss his shortcomings will be magnified and in all fairness he will end his career in an embarassing fashion if he goes to Oxford.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 6:14 am to Space Cowboy
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That means he is violating the terms of his contract, and if he is, then LSU should terminate it right this minute.
How so? Moreover, how would you prove this?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 6:46 am to Brazos
Ok. Who exactly was "our guy" in the coaching search? Jimbo? Herman? Who?
LSU probably could have gotten Jimbo if they wanted to pay extortion rates to Jimmy Sexton. Sexton was trying to get 8 million or more for Jimbo and Jimbo was not going to be told who to keep as Coordinators. So were you willing to give Jimbo freedom to run off Aranda and bring in someone else as DC? You would have had wholesale changes on a staff that is probably one of the top 2 or 3 in the country now. Yes Jimbo stayed at FSU but in reality how did the fact that he flirted with LSU for 2 years and held FSU up for more money play with FSU? I know LSU fans grew very tired of Sexton and his routine.
What about Herman? Herman was not coming to LSU. He was always going to Texas. Herman was not a proven head coach no matter what anyone on this board says. The guy lost several games vs. very weak competition such as SMU, UCONN, Memphis (gave up 48 pts)
and won a bunch of games vs the likes of Tulane, Tulsa, Texas State, Lamar, Cincy, and UCF. Yes he beat Louisville (LSU throttled Louisville w/Orgeron) and OU in the 1st game of the season. You don't hire a coach based on winning 1 or 2 games while ignoring the other 85% of the body of his work which was only 2 years at a mid-major level. LSU did that one time in the past with Curley Hallman from Southern Mississippi when he beat FSU. Look how that worked out. A complete and utter disaster. Even Aranda obviously had his doubts because he declined to go to UT with his former roommate and stayed at LSU. That says alot.
Orgeron did a good job salvaging the LSU season after it was obvious that the wheels had come off under Miles. I honestly believe that had LSU waited until the end of the season to get rid of Miles then LSU would have had a losing season and lost many of the staff that stayed on under Orgeron. Aranda being one of them.
LSU probably could have gotten Jimbo if they wanted to pay extortion rates to Jimmy Sexton. Sexton was trying to get 8 million or more for Jimbo and Jimbo was not going to be told who to keep as Coordinators. So were you willing to give Jimbo freedom to run off Aranda and bring in someone else as DC? You would have had wholesale changes on a staff that is probably one of the top 2 or 3 in the country now. Yes Jimbo stayed at FSU but in reality how did the fact that he flirted with LSU for 2 years and held FSU up for more money play with FSU? I know LSU fans grew very tired of Sexton and his routine.
What about Herman? Herman was not coming to LSU. He was always going to Texas. Herman was not a proven head coach no matter what anyone on this board says. The guy lost several games vs. very weak competition such as SMU, UCONN, Memphis (gave up 48 pts)
and won a bunch of games vs the likes of Tulane, Tulsa, Texas State, Lamar, Cincy, and UCF. Yes he beat Louisville (LSU throttled Louisville w/Orgeron) and OU in the 1st game of the season. You don't hire a coach based on winning 1 or 2 games while ignoring the other 85% of the body of his work which was only 2 years at a mid-major level. LSU did that one time in the past with Curley Hallman from Southern Mississippi when he beat FSU. Look how that worked out. A complete and utter disaster. Even Aranda obviously had his doubts because he declined to go to UT with his former roommate and stayed at LSU. That says alot.
Orgeron did a good job salvaging the LSU season after it was obvious that the wheels had come off under Miles. I honestly believe that had LSU waited until the end of the season to get rid of Miles then LSU would have had a losing season and lost many of the staff that stayed on under Orgeron. Aranda being one of them.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 6:54 am
Posted on 7/25/17 at 6:52 am to STRIPES
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Ok. Who exactly was "our guy" in the coaching search? Jimbo? Herman? Who?
So, when options A and B are unavailable, you think going with option W instead of finding an option C is the wise choice?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 7:02 am to Mo Jeaux
So who was realisticly available? You now have a coach who has one of the top staffs in the nation. LSU chose at some point to do something different than the conventional.
LSU chose to invest in the entire staff instead of one guy. I like the direction of what LSU is doing and I promise you that if it is successful you will see other schools adopt this philosophy of staff over figurehead.
Basicly, LSU decided that Orgeron/Aranda/Canada and staff was a better deal than hiring an inflated Jimbo and letting him redo the staff or hiring Herman and rolling the dice. I agree and support what LSU is trying and I think it will work. We will see.
LSU chose to invest in the entire staff instead of one guy. I like the direction of what LSU is doing and I promise you that if it is successful you will see other schools adopt this philosophy of staff over figurehead.
Basicly, LSU decided that Orgeron/Aranda/Canada and staff was a better deal than hiring an inflated Jimbo and letting him redo the staff or hiring Herman and rolling the dice. I agree and support what LSU is trying and I think it will work. We will see.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 7:05 am
Posted on 7/25/17 at 7:40 am to STRIPES
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So who was realisticly available?
Fisher was not serious about coming to LSU. Herman wanted Texas. We don't have search firms at our disposal to give us information on available coaches and their accomplishments. But I do find it very hard to believe there was no other option available. We fired Miles mid-season to give us a head start on the coaching search, and we ended up hiring the interm coach.
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LSU chose to invest in the entire staff instead of one guy. I like the direction of what LSU is doing and I promise you that if it is successful you will see other schools adopt this philosophy of staff over figurehead.
I agree and I think we will do well this season. But I don't think this is the long term answer. Aranda/Canada will get better offers, maybe head coaching offers. Then we have to hope we hire a better replacement.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:36 am to Space Cowboy
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Space Cowboy
Jesus Christ, you just regurgitate the same BS over and over, and avoid all of the facts people post that make you look absurd.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:41 am to Chimlim
Well it is true that either Aranda or Canada may be gone as a head coach soon but that would be the case anyway. Orgeron is responsible for several coaching hirings and firings and so far all looked to be good moves. Orgeron is responsible for Canada being at LSU. He is also responsible for Tommy Robinson coming and Mickey Joseph. So far I like what he has done and if he has to replace either Aranda or Canada what top OC or DC wouldnt like the setup at LSU? We will see how this experiment works out.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 10:43 am
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:05 pm to STRIPES
My issue with Orgeron is this: people keep touting the assistants we have (Aranda, Canada). That's all well and fine, until they up and leave.
How valuable is Aranda? Enough so that you legit chose to not pursue a top HC at market value (ie Jimbo), in order to keep Aranda on staff (and Jimbo asking over 7 mil is market value- he's already at a school that can win titles, and his system is in place. If you want him to move, you're going to have to make it worth his while).
If Aranda is that important, you offer HIM the job, and tie him here much more strongly. And you hope he's up to running a program immediately, given his prior experiences with Miles here, and at Wisconsin (2 solidly administrated programs).
I think people are hoping Orgeron is simply the "extended interim HC", with Aranda as associate HC, and he's apprenticing under O to learn all the duties we don't know as fans. If so, that sounds great, but I don't know that O is that selfless that he would hang around a couple years just to let Aranda get comfortable; and I don't know if Aranda would consider such an "under the table" deal as binding or truly secure. My fear with this concept is that Aranda would be groomed, and then scooped up as soon as he's ready, by, say, Alabama if Saban calls it a day (as an example).
If it DOES work out that we groom Aranda and he seamlessly takes over, then I'd say LSU made a brilliant move.
But I think Aranda is the key player here, not Orgeron.
How valuable is Aranda? Enough so that you legit chose to not pursue a top HC at market value (ie Jimbo), in order to keep Aranda on staff (and Jimbo asking over 7 mil is market value- he's already at a school that can win titles, and his system is in place. If you want him to move, you're going to have to make it worth his while).
If Aranda is that important, you offer HIM the job, and tie him here much more strongly. And you hope he's up to running a program immediately, given his prior experiences with Miles here, and at Wisconsin (2 solidly administrated programs).
I think people are hoping Orgeron is simply the "extended interim HC", with Aranda as associate HC, and he's apprenticing under O to learn all the duties we don't know as fans. If so, that sounds great, but I don't know that O is that selfless that he would hang around a couple years just to let Aranda get comfortable; and I don't know if Aranda would consider such an "under the table" deal as binding or truly secure. My fear with this concept is that Aranda would be groomed, and then scooped up as soon as he's ready, by, say, Alabama if Saban calls it a day (as an example).
If it DOES work out that we groom Aranda and he seamlessly takes over, then I'd say LSU made a brilliant move.
But I think Aranda is the key player here, not Orgeron.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:20 pm to Scoob
If Aranda was not good with the situation with Orgeron he would already be gone as he had the opportunity to go to Texas with Herman.
You simply have to give credit to Orgeron for keeping the wheels from falling off laat season. Aranda is definitely going to be a head coach but he seems good with the situation
You simply have to give credit to Orgeron for keeping the wheels from falling off laat season. Aranda is definitely going to be a head coach but he seems good with the situation
Posted on 7/25/17 at 2:22 pm to STRIPES
quote:I'm perfectly happy that he was able to keep the team from collapsing, that was never the issue. He did a great job of transitioning. That was his job, he did it in the past at USC, and I'm pretty certain that's part of the reason he came here (I'd be curious how much choice Miles had in taking him on, and whether that led to some of the distractions that occurred the past couple years).
You simply have to give credit to Orgeron for keeping the wheels from falling off laat season.
I just don't think that alone has earned him the position of permanent head coach.
quote:I'm thinking he's taking a wait and see approach to it all.
If Aranda was not good with the situation with Orgeron he would already be gone as he had the opportunity to go to Texas with Herman.
He just came here, and who knows if the likelihood of Miles retiring in a couple of years and passing the reins over might have been part of the plan. If that's the case, I doubt he's wanting to go to Texas, as he definitely isn't jumping Herman at that spot. Plus, Texas just fired another can't-miss prospect in Strong, so the potential for unrealistic expectations and another purge does remain there.
We'll just have to wait and see what happens. I suppose it's entirely possible that O runs the team a couple of years and then becomes assistant AD, and Aranda takes over. If that happens LSU and Alleva will look smart, the team will have a smooth transition and a potential long-term solution better than most of the SEC, and it would seem clear that Miles was at least offered this and fumbled it, if he didn't balk at it.
I still think Miles was looking at getting to 150 wins and age 65, and retiring; and Aranda was the consensus successor. And that O was brought in as the safety net interim prospect in case the rumblings worsened, which they did.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 2:35 pm to Space Cowboy
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Nobody cares about a close game in 2004 you monbat
frick no you don't care, it's nicky and all, but by god it's the goddamn end of the world whenever Miles squeaked by an opponent. quote:
Nonetheless, moonbat, since you love Miles so much why don't you go marry him
Oh shite, I didn't realize I was interacting with a kid. What are you, like 9 or 10? You shouldn't get on your mommys computer without her with you to supervise what you're doing.
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