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If JJ performed like in 09, and so far in 10' but had 2008 defense
Posted on 9/21/10 at 8:00 am
Posted on 9/21/10 at 8:00 am
... would we have done better or worse than 8-5 in 2008? I'd just like to remind everyone that you can feel free to add a pic 6 to the other teams score, but then plug in the numbers from 08's offensive production to make another comparison, which would be how would we have done last year with Lee's 08 performance and our 09 defense.
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Posted on 9/21/10 at 8:06 am to EricB
Hard to tell.
Lee's pick-6's are what led to our current (and 09) super-conservative playcalling.
How would JJ do with this team and 08 playcalling? I would say he would have much more gawdy numbers, for sure.
Lee's pick-6's are what led to our current (and 09) super-conservative playcalling.
How would JJ do with this team and 08 playcalling? I would say he would have much more gawdy numbers, for sure.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 8:15 am to Roaad
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Lee's pick-6's are what led to our current (and 09) super-conservative playcalling
On the other hand, our 08 defense forced us to be super aggressive with play calling. When your qb only completes 8 of 20, I can see why you might decide not to throw another 20. When your qb seemingly would rather take a sack than attempt a deep pass, you might be forced to call shorter routes.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 8:18 am to Roaad
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Jordan's performance are what led to our current (and 09) super-conservative playcalling.
I think his execution against MSU was very good and because of that, we will see many game plans run the exact same way going forward. Now, will we have to pass more aggressively than that to win 1-2 games more this year, yes. Can Jordan do that this year, we will see
Posted on 9/21/10 at 8:18 am to EricB
quote:late in games? perhaps. You have to be when you are losing.
On the other hand, our 08 defense forced us to be super aggressive with play calling.
But we were more aggressive in 07, as well as 08.
09 we became considerably more conservative, and Crowton even stated it was to limit turnovers. . .iirc
Posted on 9/21/10 at 8:21 am to slackster
quote:What do you base that on?
Jordan's performance are what led to our current (and 09) super-conservative playcalling.
When has Jefferson come out with an aggressive scheme? He came out after we had already begun to clinch our sphincters after the 2008 campaign. Look at how the 08 Ole Miss game was being called, while Lee was still in.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 8:23 am to EricB
I think we could've been 10-3, but then again, the defense just couldn't stop anyone in 08.
It's conceivable, though- because pick sixes proved to be the difference in the UGA & Bama games....
But that was then, this is now- So....
It's conceivable, though- because pick sixes proved to be the difference in the UGA & Bama games....
But that was then, this is now- So....
Posted on 9/21/10 at 8:28 am to EricB
quote:It's tough to start out a game behind a pick six.
On the other hand, our 08 defense forced us to be super aggressive with play calling.
There can be little debate about the fact that Lee's 2008 numbers were inflated because LSU was playing catch up football more often in 2008. Thus, LSU was throwing much more in 2008.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 8:29 am to Roaad
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What do you base that on?
I am not sure how that came off as a knock on JJ. I think Lee would have benefited GREATLY from a more vanilla offense. Oh, and for the last fricking time, Lee's INTs were his problem. The fact that 6 went back to the house is a huge anomaly.
I think 09 was a pretty decent playbook. We were conservative within reason. Often times an aggressive play can be called, but if you check down to the TE, it looks like everything is conservative. Look at the Saints last night. The whole Saints board was bitching about conservative play calling, when in fact Brees just checked down because of coverage on 60-70% of his plays.
In 2010, Jordan has shown obvious problems in the first two games with those particular game plans. I think Miles responded well by slowing the game down for him and not asking too much against MSU. What was asked of Jordan, he certainly did. I do not think he could have done much else with that type of play calls. I do think he has brought that style upon himself though.
Maybe I am misunderstanding, but are you advocating for game plans like 2008 with our current situation? I think that would spell doom for this team.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 8:31 am to slackster
God help us when we have to run a two minute drill to win a game.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 8:32 am to slackster
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I think Lee would have benefited GREATLY from a more vanilla offense. Oh, and for the last fricking time, Lee's INTs were his problem. The fact that 6 went back to the house is a huge anomaly.
exactly
the only game where Lee cost us by himself was alabama...no matter how well he played against florida, georgia, or ole miss, we werent going to win because of piss poor defense
the reason we sucked in 2008 was because of defense, not jarrett lee- fact
This post was edited on 9/21/10 at 8:33 am
Posted on 9/21/10 at 8:33 am to Roaad
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09 we became considerably more conservative, and Crowton even stated it was to limit turnovers. . .iirc
What other reason (excuse) would Crowton give? If you go back and watch our first three games last year: Washington, Vanderbilt and ULL (none of which is reknown for defensive ability) JJ couldn't complete the long ball. Efforts were definitely made to spark an offense.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 8:37 am to Roaad
I said it before and I'll say it again. The offensive playcalling structure is not in response to turnovers for this year. It is who we are as a team. We are a hard running SEC team with a running QB. He's going to scramble and have designed QB runs and as much as it hurts me to watch...THE OPTION...WHICH SUCKS...With that said...We will run the ball well. We look good running the ball. If we get behind there will be bubble screens, 10yd slants and curls, MORE running and scrambling but I can assure you, there will not be 40-50yd balls flying through the air with ballerina-like magnificant TD catches in the endzone to win the game and make ESPN highlights. This is a hard transition for our fan base, but you have to face it at some point, that our team has changed and the complexion of the offense has changed. We will run the ball well! We will be succesful this year. If your benchmark is 03 and 07, the sky is falling...We have to put that behind us and appreciate a fantastic young defense that promises to make great things happen and a great running game. JUST HOPE 09 DOES NOT GET HURT RUNNING,ESPECIALLY IN THE 4RTH QUARTER WITH THE GAME IN HAND! this is the one beef I had with last week along with not getting lee in the 4rth Quarter until about 3 min left? What was that? When you transition to this type of offense, you have to have a good experienced back up, because your QB will get shaken up here and there and God forbid, possibly hurt...I'm sure Lee is practiced up, but really, why not? Keep your heads up Tiger fans, I really feel like we are in for a good ride this year and this time might just shock you! Stranger things have happened? PITT......
Posted on 9/21/10 at 8:39 am to OptionRight
paragraphs please
Posted on 9/21/10 at 8:39 am to EricB
Jarrett lee got a lot of passing yards for us. How can yall possible think we could have scored enough to won games with how shitty jj is. Jarrett lee gave up some points but our defense gave up a ton of points. Other than ints our offense did good in 08 though.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 8:39 am to EricB
and if "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, then everyday would be Christmas.
Lets quit all this crap and get focused on the here and now and the job at hand kicking West Virginia's butt all the way back to the mountains.
Lets quit all this crap and get focused on the here and now and the job at hand kicking West Virginia's butt all the way back to the mountains.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 8:40 am to slackster
quote:Perhaps, but he would have had terrible numbers, and we would have lost many more games.
I think Lee would have benefited GREATLY from a more vanilla offense.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 8:41 am to Lsutim3
quote:Throwing from behind will do that.
Jarrett lee got a lot of passing yards for us.
Posted on 9/21/10 at 8:41 am to Roaad
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Perhaps, but he would have had terrible numbers, and we would have lost many more games.
Ok Roaad, now you tell me wtf you base this asinine assumption on?
Posted on 9/21/10 at 8:43 am to slackster
quote:We played from behind alot in 08.
Ok Roaad, now you tell me wtf you base this asinine assumption on?
If we played conservatively, we lose more games.
ETA: As far as the terrible numbers part, he would be running the same offense as JJ. Peyton Manning couldn't put up much better numbers in this offense.
Another ETA: Most of Lee's pick-6's came from throwing the ball late over the middle. Since his record breaking season, we have very rarely thrown over the middle.
This post was edited on 9/21/10 at 8:47 am
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