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If Devin White stayed for Sr. Year
Posted on 10/19/19 at 2:33 am
Posted on 10/19/19 at 2:33 am
People don’t talk about that enough.
Reminds me of the next to none chances we had at keeping PP7 for 2011, his would have been senior year.
Reminds me of the next to none chances we had at keeping PP7 for 2011, his would have been senior year.
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Posted on 10/19/19 at 3:51 am to WhereDaGoldAt
Can't dwell on the DW40's and PP7's of the world. They're the ones that make sense to leave early. You'll drive yourself insane.
PP7 isn't even a great example. The defense was great the next year anyway. Think about Chad Jones. If he comes back for his senior year, maybe Cam Newton doesn't break that last TD run and we beat Auburn. Maybe we don't get upset by Arkansas and it's LSU beating Oregon's arse.
But those years pre-2011 weren't that bad yet. We would only have 1 or 2 guys a year go early, and occasionally 3 after especially good years like 2003 and 2011 (zero after 2007 btw). It was the 2012 team that started a bad trend and kick started "tDecline". Following 2012 I believe we had 11 guys forgo eligibility; 6 more after 2013. It's no coincidence that "tDecline" coincided with LSU sending unprecedented numbers to the draft early.
That's what drives me nuts when I hear so many people support our players leaving early. I think, "so you don't like to win?" A first or second rounder I can live with. Third and fourth should be the hard decisions. 5th and lower should come back no matter what.
CEO showed signs of reversing the trend last season, but 3 was still a very high number in 2011 and before. The 4 that left early after 2016 and the 7 that left after 2017 I'm not going to blame on CEO as much as the coaching change in general. But from here on, it's up to CEO to rerecruit the team every year if we are going to sustain success.
PP7 isn't even a great example. The defense was great the next year anyway. Think about Chad Jones. If he comes back for his senior year, maybe Cam Newton doesn't break that last TD run and we beat Auburn. Maybe we don't get upset by Arkansas and it's LSU beating Oregon's arse.
But those years pre-2011 weren't that bad yet. We would only have 1 or 2 guys a year go early, and occasionally 3 after especially good years like 2003 and 2011 (zero after 2007 btw). It was the 2012 team that started a bad trend and kick started "tDecline". Following 2012 I believe we had 11 guys forgo eligibility; 6 more after 2013. It's no coincidence that "tDecline" coincided with LSU sending unprecedented numbers to the draft early.
That's what drives me nuts when I hear so many people support our players leaving early. I think, "so you don't like to win?" A first or second rounder I can live with. Third and fourth should be the hard decisions. 5th and lower should come back no matter what.
CEO showed signs of reversing the trend last season, but 3 was still a very high number in 2011 and before. The 4 that left early after 2016 and the 7 that left after 2017 I'm not going to blame on CEO as much as the coaching change in general. But from here on, it's up to CEO to rerecruit the team every year if we are going to sustain success.
Posted on 10/19/19 at 5:16 am to EasterEgg
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Can't dwell on the DW40's and PP7's of the world. They're the ones that make sense to leave early. You'll drive yourself insane.
PP7 isn't even a great example. The defense was great the next year anyway. Think about Chad Jones. If he comes back for his senior year, maybe Cam Newton doesn't break that last TD run and we beat Auburn. Maybe we don't get upset by Arkansas and it's LSU beating Oregon's arse.
But those years pre-2011 weren't that bad yet. We would only have 1 or 2 guys a year go early, and occasionally 3 after especially good years like 2003 and 2011 (zero after 2007 btw). It was the 2012 team that started a bad trend and kick started "tDecline". Following 2012 I believe we had 11 guys forgo eligibility; 6 more after 2013. It's no coincidence that "tDecline" coincided with LSU sending unprecedented numbers to the draft early.
That's what drives me nuts when I hear so many people support our players leaving early. I think, "so you don't like to win?" A first or second rounder I can live with. Third and fourth should be the hard decisions. 5th and lower should come back no matter what.
CEO showed signs of reversing the trend last season, but 3 was still a very high number in 2011 and before. The 4 that left early after 2016 and the 7 that left after 2017 I'm not going to blame on CEO as much as the coaching change in general. But from here on, it's up to CEO to rerecruit the team every year if we are going to sustain success.
This post was edited on 10/19/19 at 5:18 am
Posted on 10/19/19 at 5:25 am to WhereDaGoldAt
Wanting a player to stay in college is ignorant in my opinion. Imagine working for free for years then having a chance to make a million dollars a year. You gonna stay working for free another year?
Posted on 10/19/19 at 5:26 am to WhereDaGoldAt
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If Devin White stayed for Sr. Year
He would have been incredibly stupid.
This post was edited on 10/19/19 at 7:10 am
Posted on 10/19/19 at 5:36 am to viv1d
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Wanting a player to stay in college is ignorant in my opinion. Imagine working for free for years then having a chance to make a million dollars a year. You gonna stay working for free another year?
They’re honing their craft. The OT loves welders so I’ll use that analogy. What if you have a 4-5 year class in welding but decide you’re good enough after 3. Well you get out there and it turns out you’re not as good as the other 3 year guys and then you’re not as good as a lot of the 4-5 year guys either. But the thing is you can’t go back to welding school. You have to hope your current employer is willing to train you up rather than just go with one of the dozens of new welders that come into the market every year.
A lot of guys can at least get drafted leaving early but a lot of them are cutting their own legs out from On long term success chasing a dollar immediately. So yes “why work for free when you can work for money??”. Because that extra free work can set you up to be much for successful at working for money.
This post was edited on 10/19/19 at 5:37 am
Posted on 10/19/19 at 5:41 am to jlovel7
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They’re honing their craft. The OT loves welders so I’ll use that analogy. What if you have a 4-5 year class in welding but decide you’re good enough after 3. Well you get out there and it turns out you’re not as good as the other 3 year guys and then you’re not as good as a lot of the 4-5 year guys either. But the thing is you can’t go back to welding school. You have to hope your current employer is willing to train you up rather than just go with one of the dozens of new welders that come into the market every year.
A lot of guys can at least get drafted leaving early but a lot of them are cutting their own legs out from On long term success chasing a dollar immediately. So yes “why work for free when you can work for money??”. Because that extra free work can set you up to be much for successful at working for money.
Devin White is fully guaranteed to make almost $30 million on his rookie contract. Ain't no welder making $30 million baw.
Posted on 10/19/19 at 5:57 am to EasterEgg
LSU isn’t the only team that has been affected by Junior defectors. 2011 was the year of the new NFL rookie wage scale. Prior to 2011 a player was better off staying in school and improving their draft stock. After 2011, a player is now better served getting into the NFL and working towards the second contract. Here is a comparison of contracts for the #1 pick:
2008, Jake Long, OT, Miami Dolphins, five years, $57.75 million
2009: Matthew Stafford, QB, Detroit Lions, six years, $72 million
2010: Sam Bradford, QB, St. Louis Rams, six years, $78 million
2011: Cam Newton, QB, Carolina Panthers, four years, $22 million
2012: Andrew Luck, QB, Indianapolis Colts, four years, $22 million
2008, Jake Long, OT, Miami Dolphins, five years, $57.75 million
2009: Matthew Stafford, QB, Detroit Lions, six years, $72 million
2010: Sam Bradford, QB, St. Louis Rams, six years, $78 million
2011: Cam Newton, QB, Carolina Panthers, four years, $22 million
2012: Andrew Luck, QB, Indianapolis Colts, four years, $22 million
Posted on 10/19/19 at 6:07 am to Hat Tricks
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Devin White is fully guaranteed to make almost $30 million on his rookie contract. Ain't no welder making $30 million baw.
The reference was for the guys that think they’re better than they are after 3 years and can continue to climb and increase their immediate and future earnings with another year of training. Not the Whites and Peterson’s of the world.
Posted on 10/19/19 at 6:41 am to WhereDaGoldAt
It’s more interesting to think about Ed Alexander still being in the DL rotation splitting reps with Shelvin.
Posted on 10/19/19 at 6:50 am to viv1d
I think a better comparison would be working for free an extra year so you can make 3 million a year instead of 1 million a year.
Posted on 10/19/19 at 6:52 am to jlovel7
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So yes “why work for free when you can work for money??”. Because that extra free work can set you up to be much for successful at working for money.
I mean, this is completely wrong.
The “extra free work“, in Devin Whites case, couldn’t have possibly set him up to be more successful. He’s a MLB who went 5 overall. Literally impossible to get his stock any higher than that. All the “extra free work” could have done was get him hurt or cause his stock to drop.
Players also have a limited shelf life and so many years their bodies can remain physically able to play and earn money. So staying another year not only has all risk/no upside, it’s one less year available for him to earn money
This post was edited on 10/19/19 at 6:53 am
Posted on 10/19/19 at 6:54 am to WhereDaGoldAt
What if Matt Mauck stayed for his senior year? Or Minter for his?
Posted on 10/19/19 at 6:57 am to WhereDaGoldAt
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If Devin White stayed for Sr. Year
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People don’t talk about that enough.
Because why would we talk about that?
1) We are undefeated. So should we talk about how much more undefeated we would be with him?
2) It’s completely unrealistic. Players go pro early, that’s the nature of the game. Everyone in his situation is going to declare 99.9 times out of 100. It would be different if we were talking about a guy who declared and went undrafted, making a mistake.
3) Even if you want to use this silly/unrealistic “what if” to think of how good we would be, you’d have to do the same thing to all the other top schools. We aren’t the only team losing guys early to the NFL
Posted on 10/19/19 at 7:46 am to WhereDaGoldAt
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If Devin White stayed for Sr. Year
It would be a different defensive football team.
Posted on 10/19/19 at 7:54 am to Hat Tricks
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Posted on 10/19/19 at 7:59 am to jlovel7
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They’re honing their craft. The OT loves welders so I’ll use that analogy. What if you have a 4-5 year class in welding but decide you’re good enough after 3. Well you get out there and it turns out you’re not as good as the other 3 year guys and then you’re not as good as a lot of the 4-5 year guys either. But the thing is you can’t go back to welding school. You have to hope your current employer is willing to train you up rather than just go with one of the dozens of new welders that come into the market every year.
You going to hone your craft in welding school or actually welding?
Posted on 10/19/19 at 8:12 am to WhereDaGoldAt
quote:We have the #2 team in the county. Heisman front runner at QB. #1 offense in the country. A freshman corner that’s would be a first team all American if the season ended today. Maybe the best trio WRs in LSU history.
People don’t talk about that enough.
And we don’t talk about “what could have been” enough?
Jesus Christ
Posted on 10/19/19 at 8:25 am to WhereDaGoldAt
Ask Ciron Black if he thinks he should have left after his junior year.
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