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re: I wonder why Wade won't meet with the NCAA present?
Posted on 3/24/19 at 4:01 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 3/24/19 at 4:01 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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They will vacate a season where a coach was proven to have paid players. The fact that you think otherwise lets everyone know youre believing what you want.
What if they can't prove that a player got paid anything, but still find that Wade committed a violation by discussing an offer on the phone? Do you think they would still vacate wins even though they can't prove that any player actually committed a violation? This is one of the more interesting things to me.
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Posted on 3/24/19 at 4:02 pm to Lester Earl
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By all reports the NCAA was present during the Smart reinstatement. Could he be ruled ineligible? I guess. I’d be surprised
So if the ncaa find wade guilty what would he be guilty of?
Posted on 3/24/19 at 4:02 pm to Madking
I agree, but Smart has been cleared. It’s pretty apparent that Wades dealing had some degrees of separation from Smart.
Posted on 3/24/19 at 4:03 pm to Lester Earl
So your point is that Smart can be eligible but Wade could still be in trouble because offering money is a violation even if Smart didn’t take it? That makes perfect sense but we likely don’t vacate wins for that violation. I can’t sit here and claim it’s an air tight stance because it is the NCAA but that’s usually not going to result in vacated wins.
This post was edited on 3/24/19 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 3/24/19 at 4:04 pm to TigerLunatik
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What if they can't prove that a player got paid anything, but still find that Wade committed a violation by discussing an offer on the phone
An offer to what?
Start as a freshman?
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Do you think they would still vacate wins even though they can't prove that any player actually committed a violation?
I dont see an instance where wade is found guilty of paying players( nothing monetary was ever mentioned) and the season not being vacatee. But nothing the ncaa does would shock me.they are subjective as it gets.
It could very well happen.
This post was edited on 3/24/19 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 3/24/19 at 4:06 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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So if the ncaa find wade guilty what would he be guilty of?
Offering deals to middle men to sway recruits. Let’s face it, someone related to Smart prob got Paid but if they can’t prove that then he is clear. It was reported that they worked with the NCAA to clear him
Posted on 3/24/19 at 4:06 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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An offer to what?
Start as a freshman?
That's a different conversation because I think he was being very vague. I'm curious if they do find him guilty of discussing attempting to arrange payment but can't confirm that a player ever even knew that offer existed it they would take a championship away from the players.
Posted on 3/24/19 at 4:07 pm to Adajax
Because it is literally none of the NCAA's business at this point.
Oh, and Alleva is a spineless weasel with the knee jerk reactions of a 12-year-old girl.
Oh, and Alleva is a spineless weasel with the knee jerk reactions of a 12-year-old girl.
Posted on 3/24/19 at 4:08 pm to TigerLunatik
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What if they can't prove that a player got paid anything, but still find that Wade committed a violation by discussing an offer on the phone?
If they can prove that he offered impermissible benefits then Wade is dead in the water. But they actually have to prove it. Just the fact that an "offer" was made is insufficient. WW can say an offer was a starting spot.
Posted on 3/24/19 at 4:09 pm to Lester Earl
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Offering deals to middle men to sway recruits. Let’s face it, someone related to Smart prob got Paid but if they can’t prove that then he is clear. It was reported that they worked with the NCAA to clear him
So how can you prove Wade was offering anything more than a starting position as a true freshman?
Had the the lsu administration hekd their ground the NCAA has nothing on wade nor smart. They have an ambiguous transcript that can easily be explained away even if its all lies.
Posted on 3/24/19 at 4:10 pm to Goldrush25
I get that. That's not what I'm asking. IF Wade does get popped, but no players are implicated, would the NCAA still vacate the wins?
Posted on 3/24/19 at 4:10 pm to Madking
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So your point is that Smart can be eligible but Wade could still be in trouble because offering money is a violation even if Smart didn’t take it?
I don't agree or disagree, I don't think it even matters.
The only way anything even comes out is if Wade gives testimony favorable to the prosecution (why else would he potentially incriminate himself?).
So assuming he either never takes the stand or says nothing if he's called, or even if he does testify and implicates everyone else, there's no invective for suspending him now at the cost of winning.
It's just a dumb, shortsighted decision that can't really be defended.
Posted on 3/24/19 at 4:12 pm to Adajax
Here's my take:
Everyone in major college basketball is "dirty" to some degree. That includes Wade, also includes everyone else including Coach K.
The NCAA is fully aware of this, and has no real incentive to do anything about it, as it would interfere with a multi-million dollar industry if it did.
The NCAA is going to go with "proof" in this case, in my opinion. That means, it's going to move based on what Will Wade says.
Wade is in a holding pattern right now. He is potentially going to have to testify in federal court, and I seriously doubt he will risk perjuring himself. Stuff might well come out that will be damning, both for LSU and for basketball in general.
That said, it depends on the judge and how the case goes. Wade might not have to testify at all.
Once we get past speaking "under oath", then the NCAA will do it's thing. If Wade doesn't have to testify, he's free to say whatever he wants without threat of jail, and say "prove otherwise". I think he gets off scott free if that's the case.
Everyone in major college basketball is "dirty" to some degree. That includes Wade, also includes everyone else including Coach K.
The NCAA is fully aware of this, and has no real incentive to do anything about it, as it would interfere with a multi-million dollar industry if it did.
The NCAA is going to go with "proof" in this case, in my opinion. That means, it's going to move based on what Will Wade says.
Wade is in a holding pattern right now. He is potentially going to have to testify in federal court, and I seriously doubt he will risk perjuring himself. Stuff might well come out that will be damning, both for LSU and for basketball in general.
That said, it depends on the judge and how the case goes. Wade might not have to testify at all.
Once we get past speaking "under oath", then the NCAA will do it's thing. If Wade doesn't have to testify, he's free to say whatever he wants without threat of jail, and say "prove otherwise". I think he gets off scott free if that's the case.
Posted on 3/24/19 at 4:14 pm to TigerLunatik
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That's a different conversation because I think he was being very vague. I'm curious if they do find him guilty of discussing attempting to arrange payment but can't confirm that a player ever even knew that offer existed it they would take a championship away from the playe
I have no doubt we were paying players just like every ncaa basketball program with conf title and nc aspirations. My problem is the vagueness of the transcript is easily explained away.
Have you noticed that lsu is the only program being talked about? It's because we suspended a coach during a sec title run. Had lsu just put out a public statement saying ," we are taking the yahoo report serious and will be launching an in house investigation into these allegations but at this point we stand behind our coach and players."
This post was edited on 3/24/19 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 3/24/19 at 4:14 pm to Philippines4LSU
You’re right, but to add to that, it looks more and more like the quotes that were leaked by the defense attorney were completely taken out of context. If he had the goods on Wade and wanted to destroy his credibility he’dve released the goods. What was released was vague and seemed pieced together. What LSU is mixed up in is much bigger than Wade’s situation and after 6 highly paid employees being fired last week it looks like Alleva and Alexander are trying to get out from under something. I’m just speculating but Wade seems to be a huge bargaining chip those two are trying to use but Wade also has some heavy friends in BR who are on the other side of it. The people I trust are telling me it’s a civil war at LSU over this right now.
This post was edited on 3/24/19 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 3/24/19 at 4:15 pm to Scoob
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Everyone in major college basketball is "dirty" to some degree. That includes Wade, also includes everyone else including Coach K.
The NCAA is fully aware of this, and has no real incentive to do anything about it, as it would interfere with a multi-million dollar industry if it did.
Yes sir. If the NCAA cared that much about cheating, the FBI wouldn't be involved.
Posted on 3/24/19 at 4:25 pm to Madking
The irony is, the best thing LSU could possibly do PR wise is win the whole tournament, with Wade as HC. There's nothing America loves more than a winner.
After April comes and goes, the entire FBI aspect would be long forgotten in 5 years were it not for Joe Alleva's poor decision making.
After April comes and goes, the entire FBI aspect would be long forgotten in 5 years were it not for Joe Alleva's poor decision making.
Posted on 3/24/19 at 4:28 pm to Philippines4LSU
Honestly with a weak as sanctions are now days, even if Wade committed a violation or 2 you keep him and take your 1 or 2 year hit. Louisville is in the tourney, Oregon was hit this summer, they are in the tourney. Syracuse got slapped with 12 violations 4 years ago and Boheim missed 4 regular season games. There is no death penalty and with the TV money no power conference team is going to be crushed the way they used to.
Posted on 3/24/19 at 4:31 pm to Madking
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Honestly with a weak as sanctions are now days, even if Wade committed a violation or 2 you keep him and take your 1 or 2 year hit.
This has been my hope all along if we do get hit with any probation or sanctions and of course wanna keep the conference title.
Posted on 3/24/19 at 4:37 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Have you noticed that lsu is the only program being talked about? It's because we suspended a coach during a sec title run
Alleva and LSU threw gasoline on the whole damn thing. If WW isn't suspended no one's talking about us in this context.
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