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Posted on 1/14/19 at 7:06 am to bencoleman
Here's one more excerpt from the original article and I'm about to check out the articles that the author linked.
DVOA on play-action passes was at 25.9% last season, while DVOA on all other passing plays was just 11.6%. That 14.3% gap is slightly down from last season, but is still the second-highest gap we have ever recorded. Play-action passes are completed at a higher rate. They're (generally) thrown further downfield, producing more yards (though stick a pin in that, we'll come back to it in a moment). They work regardless of whether your team is actually any good at running the ball. The misdirection provides a benefit in all but the most obvious passing situations, and even then it doesn't actually hurt. Ben Baldwin had a couple of great pieces this offseason going into great depth on these topics, and I encourage everyone to re-read them, but in short: play-action works for most teams most of the time
DVOA on play-action passes was at 25.9% last season, while DVOA on all other passing plays was just 11.6%. That 14.3% gap is slightly down from last season, but is still the second-highest gap we have ever recorded. Play-action passes are completed at a higher rate. They're (generally) thrown further downfield, producing more yards (though stick a pin in that, we'll come back to it in a moment). They work regardless of whether your team is actually any good at running the ball. The misdirection provides a benefit in all but the most obvious passing situations, and even then it doesn't actually hurt. Ben Baldwin had a couple of great pieces this offseason going into great depth on these topics, and I encourage everyone to re-read them, but in short: play-action works for most teams most of the time
Posted on 1/14/19 at 7:07 am to RaginRed
You're going to get a lot of result posts. Those that actually watched the games can't really criticize because there was nothing really wrong with the scheme. The real idiots will say we ran things we didn't and ignore the fact that Steve installed what most fans wanted.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 7:08 am to RaginRed
O haters and negatigers looking for something to stay on their period about.
It’s as simple as that.
It’s as simple as that.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 7:13 am to RaginRed
You are really pushing the “young players” card real hard in your arguments. It doesn’t work these days these young players are highly recruited and are becoming impact players all over the country except for at LSU they need 2....3 yrs of development??
SE offense was MUCH better then what miles put on the field, but it’s not good enough to win championships. The red zone offense was just pathetic and SE like miles run offense put the QB in tough spots with really hard passes to make with the routes that were being run.
Just look at the bama game alone, just like miles teams looked like we went ultra conservative playing not to get blown out. It doesn’t matter how young a team is, we should have been coached better on offense to at least score on bama.
Plus it doesn’t help SE that coach O said he was going to get the best OC in the country, and his OC pick hasn’t coached the piston 20 yrs and was fired from his last job.
Hey but I’m patient, if his players are to “young” then they should be grown men this season so playoffs here we come!!
SE offense was MUCH better then what miles put on the field, but it’s not good enough to win championships. The red zone offense was just pathetic and SE like miles run offense put the QB in tough spots with really hard passes to make with the routes that were being run.
Just look at the bama game alone, just like miles teams looked like we went ultra conservative playing not to get blown out. It doesn’t matter how young a team is, we should have been coached better on offense to at least score on bama.
Plus it doesn’t help SE that coach O said he was going to get the best OC in the country, and his OC pick hasn’t coached the piston 20 yrs and was fired from his last job.
Hey but I’m patient, if his players are to “young” then they should be grown men this season so playoffs here we come!!
Posted on 1/14/19 at 7:27 am to JohnnyU
+1. It was just my imagination..... running away w me....
Posted on 1/14/19 at 7:30 am to RaginRed
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How bout the Dropsies? I bet LSU led the SEC in dropped passes this season. It was another constant struggle that should be expected with a group of unproven WR's getting their first starts with little to no experience. Thats NOT on Ensminger???
Burrow was 2nd best behind Tua on drops percentage by WRs.
Drops Percentage SDS
Posted on 1/14/19 at 7:36 am to RaginRed
I'm not either of these "Ensminger sucks" or "Ensminger had no faults" camps. I can see gray area and this is what I see:
1. I saw an offense that had personnel problems, from a bunch of new starters, to a bad OL, to inconsistent WR corps, to a RB corps that isn't near as talented as we are used to seeing. I dont fault Ensminger here, that's a tough hand to be dealt, especially with a new starter at QB on top of it all who just came in the summer prior to the season, admittedly Burrow played really well.
2. One of the worst red zone offenses in the country. Seriously, it was terrible, awful TD%. This was a combination of bad playcalling (how often did we EVER throw it up to our 6'6 and 6'7 WRs?) and some player mistakes for sure...blame goes mostly on Ensminger here. They settled for FGs way way way too often (because they knew they had a reliable kicker, albeit).
3. For the 2nd time against Bama for Ensminger, we scored 0 points. Again, point to a lot of things here, but most of the blame goes on Ensminger. This WAS NOT a great Alabama defense, and we did diddly poo against them under Ensminger for the 2nd time in 3 years.
So, Ensminger has some fault he has to take, but it wasn't all him for sure. Those things above in 2 and 3 he really needs to work on. Overall scheme though I didn't think he did a bad job. I liked the hurry up at times and going tempo, we simply didnt really do this previously. At least certainly not in an unpredicatable fashion.
1. I saw an offense that had personnel problems, from a bunch of new starters, to a bad OL, to inconsistent WR corps, to a RB corps that isn't near as talented as we are used to seeing. I dont fault Ensminger here, that's a tough hand to be dealt, especially with a new starter at QB on top of it all who just came in the summer prior to the season, admittedly Burrow played really well.
2. One of the worst red zone offenses in the country. Seriously, it was terrible, awful TD%. This was a combination of bad playcalling (how often did we EVER throw it up to our 6'6 and 6'7 WRs?) and some player mistakes for sure...blame goes mostly on Ensminger here. They settled for FGs way way way too often (because they knew they had a reliable kicker, albeit).
3. For the 2nd time against Bama for Ensminger, we scored 0 points. Again, point to a lot of things here, but most of the blame goes on Ensminger. This WAS NOT a great Alabama defense, and we did diddly poo against them under Ensminger for the 2nd time in 3 years.
So, Ensminger has some fault he has to take, but it wasn't all him for sure. Those things above in 2 and 3 he really needs to work on. Overall scheme though I didn't think he did a bad job. I liked the hurry up at times and going tempo, we simply didnt really do this previously. At least certainly not in an unpredicatable fashion.
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 7:38 am to RaginRed
Meh.
We don't have a lack of talent...that's just stupid. Plenty of teams with much lesser talent got better offensive results in 2018 than we did.
E's weakness seems to be situational play calling and apparently scripted play calling. I'm hoping his first down and red zone play calling will improve significantly in 2019, and I hope to see him reacting to what defenses show him more than just preemptively choosing to run a certain set of plays at the beginning of every game and every half.
He needs to be successfully analyzing the defenses we face, but I think he's too bogged down in trying to figure out what type of offense to run. This should improve in 2019 with more continuity and a better OL (I hope). I'm looking forward to seeing adjustments made throughout the game when things don't go our way.
We don't have a lack of talent...that's just stupid. Plenty of teams with much lesser talent got better offensive results in 2018 than we did.
E's weakness seems to be situational play calling and apparently scripted play calling. I'm hoping his first down and red zone play calling will improve significantly in 2019, and I hope to see him reacting to what defenses show him more than just preemptively choosing to run a certain set of plays at the beginning of every game and every half.
He needs to be successfully analyzing the defenses we face, but I think he's too bogged down in trying to figure out what type of offense to run. This should improve in 2019 with more continuity and a better OL (I hope). I'm looking forward to seeing adjustments made throughout the game when things don't go our way.
This post was edited on 1/14/19 at 7:39 am
Posted on 1/14/19 at 7:40 am to thunderbird1100
I agree with all of 3 of those but would like to add that Steve had no answer for Bama's dominance at the line of scrimmage which gave Joe no time to throw. Shame on Steve for that gameplan.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 7:41 am to ATLTiger
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My biggest issue with the E offense was our seeming inability to get the ball out quicker, especially given the pass blocking issues. Hope we can get someone in here to do better with WR screens and such.
yeah
this and relying too much on long-developing deep shots was just insane, given our OL scheme/blocking issues (and our lack of a big running game)
Posted on 1/14/19 at 7:42 am to RaginRed
Preach! There was things that could be done differently but I think a lot of it had to do with game plan and lsu really wants to keep tune of posession so they run a lot when we as fans would prefer a pass. Bit a offense that outpaces a defense is not good. Imo lsu will be comfortable with the defense next year and may take more gambles will result in a lot better offense and maybe a few time a game where defense has to pull out the stops and get get this 3&outs.
Overall I think lsu offense improves but burrow may not be getting quite the stats he got this year. He ran the offense entire year and did not come out, NC brennan needed his red shirt. Now brennan will be spelling burrow when game is in hand probably every 4th qtr of year if lsu does good as I think they will. He does need some experience if he is going to make the leap.. I really think this year 2019 burrows sr year and 2021 brennan's sr year are the years lsu makes the playoffs need brennan to step up this year and put on some fricking weight...
Overall I think lsu offense improves but burrow may not be getting quite the stats he got this year. He ran the offense entire year and did not come out, NC brennan needed his red shirt. Now brennan will be spelling burrow when game is in hand probably every 4th qtr of year if lsu does good as I think they will. He does need some experience if he is going to make the leap.. I really think this year 2019 burrows sr year and 2021 brennan's sr year are the years lsu makes the playoffs need brennan to step up this year and put on some fricking weight...
Posted on 1/14/19 at 7:43 am to RaginRed
Under him as an OC, we’ve scored zero points against Bama in two seasons. Let me repeat that. Zero points in two seasons against Bama.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 7:46 am to lsuson
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Under him as an OC, we’ve scored zero points against Bama in two seasons. Let me repeat that. Zero points in two seasons against Bama
Thanks for that thoughtful and knowledgeable post. I bookmarked for future reference and to possibly show it to friends and family.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 7:47 am to lsuson
You say that like it’s his fault?
Posted on 1/14/19 at 7:52 am to lsuson
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Under him as an OC, we’ve scored zero points against Bama in two seasons. Let me repeat that. Zero points in two seasons against Bama.
Dude, no one wants to hear this crap! I mean, how do you expect the Rant to debate bottom line facts
Posted on 1/14/19 at 7:52 am to RaginRed
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Burrows 219 completions this season were the MOST! since Jamarcus Russell 12 years ago!
You can't use "most" stats this season because we played 13 and 1/2 games this season, more than all seasons except for those with sec championship or NC games. Nobody other QB, back to Jamarcus, got to play in a 7OT game. Our offense as a whole jumped from the 70s to the 40s in rank soley by the points scored in just that overtime. QB stats are also artificially increased. That games skews all "most ___ in a game/season" stats.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 7:54 am to OppositeMan
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We don't have a lack of talent...that's just stupid.
I guess 2019 will prove the talent vs scheme argument. If talent doesn't matter (how idiotic a thought that is) then the offense wont be any better next season. If the offense is better, then talent does matter.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 7:56 am to RaginRed
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I never understood the knock on Steve Ensminger this season
Well, they couldn't outscore a miserable (at the time) florida team.
His QB didn't throw a touchdown in the month of october.
If you watched the bama game, and didn't get it, I don't know what to tell you. The offense did nothing.
In two games, aTm, and the bowl, his offense couldn't run the clock out with less than 2 minutes left to ice the game.
If you don't see it, I don't know what to tell you.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 8:00 am to RaginRed
I'll give you the point that we didn't have a lot of returning players. We had a new QB, new RBs, and unproven WRs. But we had lots of OL issues.
My biggest issue was E was the scheme. We had only a handful of plays we ran and that was it. I liked that we passed on first down more, but we are still unable to execute a basic screen pass, and by his own admission, we couldn't handle audibles very well. Our red zone offense was pathetic, we didn't have certain packages for certain situations, nope we had a specific playbook and we ran it no matter what. We had success with the wildcat in the red zone earlier in the season, but we didn't see that again.
Basically, it's tiring that LSU is still an 'old school' offense. 3 of the top 4 teams in the playoffs ran modern offenses. (I'm not sure about ND, I haven't watched them this year). We're lucky as hell we have Aranda, but the fact is there are many offenses that are too good and capable of scoring at will. We aren't quite there yet and I don't believe E is the person to bring a modern offense to LSU.
My biggest issue was E was the scheme. We had only a handful of plays we ran and that was it. I liked that we passed on first down more, but we are still unable to execute a basic screen pass, and by his own admission, we couldn't handle audibles very well. Our red zone offense was pathetic, we didn't have certain packages for certain situations, nope we had a specific playbook and we ran it no matter what. We had success with the wildcat in the red zone earlier in the season, but we didn't see that again.
Basically, it's tiring that LSU is still an 'old school' offense. 3 of the top 4 teams in the playoffs ran modern offenses. (I'm not sure about ND, I haven't watched them this year). We're lucky as hell we have Aranda, but the fact is there are many offenses that are too good and capable of scoring at will. We aren't quite there yet and I don't believe E is the person to bring a modern offense to LSU.
This post was edited on 1/14/19 at 8:01 am
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