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re: Humbling Trip for LSU Basketball
Posted on 11/25/15 at 10:11 am to LSU Patrick
Posted on 11/25/15 at 10:11 am to LSU Patrick
It was a disappointment to see them play the way they did on both O and D.
But it's early and certainly not ready to give up on them but it was disappointing. That tournament was right there for the taking.
But it's early and certainly not ready to give up on them but it was disappointing. That tournament was right there for the taking.
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Posted on 11/25/15 at 10:15 am to timlan2057
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Sampson--very likely gone
Um, no. Sampson wont get drafted this year. He has a lot to improve on.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 10:15 am to N.O. via West-Cal
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I was disappointed in the NYC trip, too, but we are presently a poor rebounding team and that could change significantly when Victor arrives. In basketball, a single player can make an enormous difference, and we are still yet to see Victor and Hornsby this year.
I was saying this before the season but after watching this team it reminded me that Jones cannot/does not know how to coach. LSU does NOT box out...period. I have little faith that adding an extra power forward will change that philosophy. They will naturally rebound better but there will still be major breakdowns in opposing offensive rebounding.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 10:16 am to thunderbird1100
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Fact is we played like shite and lost to 2 team we shouldn't. This is going to hurt a lot down the road, despite the fact we were missing 2 starters, we dont get that pass the "big programs" get.
How did those early losses to ODU and Clemson hurt us last year?
Posted on 11/25/15 at 10:17 am to thunderbird1100
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Um, no. Sampson wont get drafted this year. He has a lot to improve on
As does Blakeney. What is he like 150 pounds? I know he can jump out of the gymp but these guys need to put some muscle on. With that being said Sampson is a much better shooter than Blakeney although Blakeney does appear to have a higher ceiling simply because of his athleticism.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 10:19 am to Bonck1987
At the ends of both halves of the first loss LSU had the ball with about 15 seconds left and timeouts available. Instead of calling timeout and setting up a play to get the ball to the best player in the country the team threw the ball around the perimeter and threw up a 3 from 4 feet past the arc. Not a good sign for the future.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 10:20 am to LSU Patrick
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if Sampson and Blakeney are gone next year too, it's because we won a NC. I'll take that.
I'd certainly take that too, but I'll maintain that Tone is one-and-done regardless.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 10:21 am to Bonck1987
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Bonck1987
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I'm pretty upset with the way they played in both games, because it seemed like there was no game plan in either. We looked like we were just trying to out talent them, and that will not win games against quality opponents.
Was this your first time watching a Johnny Jones-coached Basketball Team? No offense but it must've been, because that's his absolute hallmark.
He wants to run it and gun it jack up threes. We're emphasizing passing a little more because of Blakeney and Simmons being so used to each other and having an infectious passing attitude.
But otherwise, we snowbird on defense and even when we don't, we put zero emphasis on stopping the ball on dribble drive/penetration. We couple that with lazy interior defense and even lazier rebounding efforts.
Again...none of this stuff I'm talking about is a recent development. It's been this way since he's got here. It'll be this way once Simmons is gone. It'll be this way until Johnny's gone.
If he wanted to emphasize on-ball defending, rebounding, or the like he'd have done so long, long ago.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 10:23 am to setinways12
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As does Blakeney
Blakeney is a more complete player and will get drafted, probably in the 1st round. He is valuable to NBA teams as a volume scorer off the bench as a 6th man.
Sampson doesnt know how to play any defense.
I dont know why you say Sampson is a "much better" shooter than Blakeney. That simply isnt the case. While Sampson certainly can shoot the 3 well, Blakeney came out arguably as one of the top 3 point shooters in the country. Just because he has a poor game or two doesnt take that away.
This post was edited on 11/25/15 at 10:25 am
Posted on 11/25/15 at 10:26 am to Charpol
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Instead of calling timeout and setting up a play to get the ball to the best player in the country the team threw the ball around the perimeter and threw up a 3 from 4 feet past the arc. Not a good sign for the future.
And if we hadn't called timeout at the end of the game yesterday, we may have won
Simmons had the ball on an ISO at the end of game one and passed it out despite having a pretty good drive going.
Calling a timeout also let's the defense set up. Simmons just needs to take it to the goal in that situation
This post was edited on 11/25/15 at 10:27 am
Posted on 11/25/15 at 10:30 am to LSUButt
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Maybe it does look like a 1 and done team currently...but in 2-3 weeks this won't be the same team at all. People annoy me
Why are you so sure of this? This looks like the same shite we've seen the last 3 years under Jones. When Hornsby and Victor come in are we going to suddenly play good defense, and move around on offense?
Posted on 11/25/15 at 10:30 am to Gugich22
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How did those early losses to ODU and Clemson hurt us last year?
Ultimately they didn't. But that was because LSU was able to get a huge OOC road win at WVU and what later turned out to be a good road win at UAB. Like it or not, wins away from home are very important to the selection committee. Outside of maybe Houston, LSU has no more opportunities to pick up another good OOC win away from home.
They can overcome these two losses. But the margin of error in conf. play as well as the rest of the OOC slate is much thinner than before.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 10:32 am to Gugich22
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How did those early losses to ODU and Clemson hurt us last year?
I agree that there is a knee jerk reaction to losses....HOWEVER, watching this team doesn't give me a whole lot of confidence that they will be a great team.
defensively, they don't help, rotate, move their feet, or box out.
Offensively, they don't screen off the ball, cut, attack the basket, and they have an extremely low basketball IQ with regards to late in the game fouls, general execution, etc.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 10:33 am to Charpol
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At the ends of both halves of the first loss LSU had the ball with about 15 seconds left and timeouts available. Instead of calling timeout and setting up a play to get the ball to the best player in the country
Never understood this fascination with timeouts. Why give the defense a chance to plan and set up? Do they really need a timeout to get the ball to the best player in the country. More often than not the primary shooter does not end up with the shot unless it is a Chris Jackson or someone who can create their own shot from any place.
Sometimes what happens is a product of how the defense operates. They got open looks for makeable shots. I would rather see a deep shot than trying to force it inside and getting a turnover.
The bad part of that scenario in the first game is Blakeney fouled on he rebound vs Marquette sending them to the line with under a second left in the half.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 10:34 am to TigerBait1127
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Instead of calling timeout and setting up a play to get the ball to the best player in the country the team threw the ball around the perimeter and threw up a 3 from 4 feet past the arc. Not a good sign for the future.
And if we hadn't called timeout at the end of the game yesterday, we may have won
Simmons had the ball on an ISO at the end of game one and passed it out despite having a pretty good drive going.
Calling a timeout also let's the defense set up. Simmons just needs to take it to the goal in that situation
I agree with both of these comments. JJ's coaching ability doesn't give me confidence that late game timeouts even help....so sometimes just letting the best player in the country handle the ball and attack the goal is a better option.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 10:36 am to thunderbird1100
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Blakeney is a more complete player and will get drafted, probably in the 1st round. He is valuable to NBA teams as a volume scorer off the bench as a 6th man.
Sampson doesnt know how to play any defense.
I dont know why you say Sampson is a "much better" shooter than Blakeney. That simply isnt the case. While Sampson certainly can shoot the 3 well, Blakeney came out arguably as one of the top 3 point shooters in the country. Just because he has a poor game or two doesnt take that away.
If you can't watch both of them shoot the ball and tell that Sampson is a better pure 3 point shooter then I can't help you. Blakeney's right hand is nearly on the left side of his head before he releases. This is not a recipe for a consistent jump shot....which is why he's so streaky.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 10:37 am to Giantkiller
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Simmons needs to shoot when he has a shot instead of being an assist maniac.
But he's not much of a shooter. There are much better shooting options out there. When he draws extra defenders, other guys will have to make shots.
But this team clearly has coaching issues. Their late game possessions are terrible, just like last year. That's when a coach's influence becomes apparent. I almost feel bad for the guy - he's just out of his depth.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 10:38 am to thunderbird1100
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Blakeney is a more complete player and will get drafted, probably in the 1st round. He is valuable to NBA teams as a volume scorer off the bench as a 6th man.
Sampson doesnt know how to play any defense.
I dont know why you say Sampson is a "much better" shooter than Blakeney. That simply isnt the case. While Sampson certainly can shoot the 3 well, Blakeney came out arguably as one of the top 3 point shooters in the country. Just because he has a poor game or two doesnt take that away.
FYI in the latest NBA mock draft Blakeney isn't even mentioned....only Benny and Timmy.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 10:44 am to Bonck1987
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lose to 2 decent tourney teams
One of which previously got blown out at home by that juggernaut William & Mary.
Posted on 11/25/15 at 10:45 am to GFunk
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Was this your first time watching a Johnny Jones-coached Basketball Team? No offense but it must've been, because that's his absolute hallmark.
He wants to run it and gun it jack up threes. We're emphasizing passing a little more because of Blakeney and Simmons being so used to each other and having an infectious passing attitude.
But otherwise, we snowbird on defense and even when we don't, we put zero emphasis on stopping the ball on dribble drive/penetration. We couple that with lazy interior defense and even lazier rebounding efforts.
Again...none of this stuff I'm talking about is a recent development. It's been this way since he's got here. It'll be this way once Simmons is gone. It'll be this way until Johnny's gone.
If he wanted to emphasize on-ball defending, rebounding, or the like he'd have done so long, long ago.
Well said...couldn't agree more. As a basketball purist it's sickening to watch.
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