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re: How was Perkins utilized so well versus Arkansas in 2022?
Posted on 9/10/24 at 11:59 am to Madking
Posted on 9/10/24 at 11:59 am to Madking
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I know, it’s because almost all defenses are sub packages now a days so positions are getting mixed up. In our alignment we have 3 down lineman and a drop end (swinson) with our 2 LBs both playing inside the tackles so our WLB plays inside on the weak side of the formation. Our star position really just plays where your traditional WLB would play. But again we saw him play there already and he was outstanding so I don’t know where this idea comes from that he wouldn’t be able to do it all of the sudden.
I actually agree with some of this. I just don't think Perk was very good last year in that type of roll. I trust Baker will make the adjustments needed. Again I also think Perk just isn't as good as people think because he doesn't play smart football. Tyran as unbelievable because he was always in the perfect postion to make plays. He played his technique. He played the scheme correctly. Perk is lining up over the weak end most of the time. If he read keys correctly he could be in on all types of plays and he is close to the LOS to easily blitz him off the edge. He just has bad eyes and runs himself out of plays. He did it last year as well.
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Posted on 9/10/24 at 12:04 pm to redfishfan
All your descriptions of his problems are spot on but they weren’t happening until he was moved. He’s a weak side, chase LB. Play side takes on the point of contact, MLB fills and your weak side guy flows and chases. Right now he’s expected to be the fill player but that’s not what he is.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 12:09 pm to Draco Malfoy
they were lining up 4 wide with no TE to help block him? their QB tried to rely on his legs too much and Perkins ran him down a few times.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 12:09 pm to Draco Malfoy
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And why can’t we tap into that again?
Arkansas was completely 1 dimensional in that game. That made a big difference.
Another big impact game for him was Ole Miss. Their passing game struggled with Dart being much more raw in his first year there. He could certainly pass a lot better than Hornsby, but they depended heavily on the run and used a lot of QB run.
In both games, Perkins was able to play as a true OLB and spy and then attack the LOS as plays developed.
This post was edited on 9/10/24 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 9/10/24 at 12:13 pm to ATLTiger
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3) there's better/ more complementary talent around him IMO. Ojulari stands out in the video, and you also have JRoy, Baskerville, Wingo, and Gaye in the front 7. And there's Greg Brooks, JBC, Jay Ward and Garner as the DBs.
Having him next to or around Ojulari was more important than people remember. BJ demanded a lot of attention himself and was versatile enough to fall back into zone coverage if we rushed 4, but wanted to exchange Perkins. We haven’t had a DE that versatile since then.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 12:23 pm to misey94
We have a potentially better pass rush than that group. Jones has emerged as a monster rushing the QB and on passing downs you could have Womack and Perkins coming off each edge. Whoof that could be deadly.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 12:30 pm to Madking
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Play side takes on the point of contact, MLB fills and your weak side guy flows and chases. Right now he’s expected to be the fill player but that’s not what he is.
LSU is a gap scheme defense. Each player is assigned a presnap gap unless something the offense does causes a gap exchange. Being an OLB/Safety makes you a "force" player usually. Meaning you have to fit to force things back inside. You can't just hope somebody can be a chase LB bc the offense can run to either side. Teams run strong and weak. Modern defenses are extremely complicated. Break down stubie coverage and you'll see there are almost infinite things that can happen defensively based on what the offense does. It's not line up in the same thing and run the same coverage over and over anymore. It's crazy how complicated it can get.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 12:32 pm to redfishfan
Of course there are different scenarios but that’s the position types.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 12:35 pm to Madking
I'm gonna be positive and try to have a positive outlook I guess. Baker will figure it out and Perk will get much better as the year goes. That's my hope.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 12:39 pm to Draco Malfoy
Keep in mind Arky didn’t have a real QB in that game. Not to take away from what he did but the QB play was awful just to add some context.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 12:42 pm to Draco Malfoy
On the edge, spy, rover, he needs to run free and get after the QB...
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:04 pm to Madking
BK is trying to gaslight us about Perkins instead of telling the truth in that it was an EPIC FAIL to move him. Why change what's working?
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:26 pm to redfishfan
Yep, it’s possible the lightbulb will come on and he begins to excel at the new spot
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:38 pm to Madking
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We have a potentially better pass rush than that group. Jones has emerged as a monster rushing the QB and on passing downs you could have Womack and Perkins coming off each edge. Whoof that could be deadly.
I’m not knocking Jones, Swinson, Womack and Shand. All have shown improvement this season, especially Jones. However, my point was that they are very different players. BJ was strong, but also faster and leaner. He could do things as a hybrid Jack that our current DEs, who are all more traditional 4-3 DEs, really can’t. One of those was interchange with Perkins in ways that can keep the defense guessing where pressure is coming.
I love the way Jones is playing right now, but I can’t imagine him dropping in zone coverage to replace Perkins on a 4 man rush. Now, this isn’t to say that Perkins can’t be better used with our DEs in ways that are complimentary. I just think Perkins and BJ really worked well together in a way that our current roster can’t duplicate, and that’s what the OP was about.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:41 pm to redfishfan
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I'm gonna be positive and try to have a positive outlook I guess. Baker will figure it out and Perk will get much better as the year goes. That's my hope.
Baker has a much better track record at improving struggling college LBs than House. He did it here with Clarke and Baskerville. He did it at Mizzou after he left here. If Perkins puts in the work, he will get better.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:45 pm to misey94
No I wasn’t meaning to contradict your point I was just saying that on obvious passing downs you could have a lot of guys to account for potentially. Glad you mentioned Shand because early vs USC he was really getting after it.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:45 pm to Reece Bobby
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BK is trying to gaslight us about Perkins instead of telling the truth in that it was an EPIC FAIL to move him. Why change what's working?
A true OLB isn’t on the field outside of run downs in modern football, and that’s what he really is. To be on the field more, he has to either be an MLB or a hybrid Safety. Neither position fully lines up with his standout skills. It’s about which he can best fit in and have an impact in, but it’s been made clear that HE wants to play MLB.
Outside of all that, he’s a Marcel Brooks-like undersized pass rush specialist.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 1:51 pm to Draco Malfoy
The young and dumb qb from Arkansas rolled to his side for multiple sacks and he was un blocked . Mostly the qb’s fault , Perkins did close down the distance fast , but I’m sure Arkansas coaches were un happy with their qb .
Posted on 9/10/24 at 3:10 pm to Ralphiemay
I thought Brune made a good observation in that if we move Perkins to Star then we're basically just running a 4-3 defense and teams are just going to spread us out and throw on us.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 5:22 pm to Draco Malfoy
Record with Perkins playing his original role- 10-2
Record when he isn’t- 11-6
Record when he isn’t- 11-6
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