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Posted on 9/17/18 at 10:58 am to Goldrush25
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if LSU trips up a lot of these guys that support him right now will turn on him at the drop of a hat.
They were way more vocal when it looked like we were gonna lose Saturday.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 10:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:He's definitely made some moves worth noting in a positive way. Honestly, the jury is still out on his biggest move though. SE. Anyone saying the jury is done is out of their minds.
I generally go by the state of the program. I wasn't hip on his hiring but he's made some very good moves to shore up the team, and seems to have everything moving in the right direction.
quote:As can anyone's.
My mind can change, because everyone should have an open mind concerning the here and now.
quote:Frankly, I think this is a mischaracterization. Recognizing that a coach in his first full year still has a ways to go is hardly some "mythical point in the future". NO COACH can be judged inside of a year's worth of games. The list of coaches who have looked good up front only to not actually be good is long and illustrious.
If you're always judging based on some mythical point in the future, you'll never enjoy the moment.
quote:Honestly, I think this is where 99% of the people in here are.
There should be no "won over" for Oregeron. There should be no anti Orgeron sentiment at the present time either.
It's just that no one accepts the reality. Saying that hiring Coach O at LSU given the information known when the decision was made was a bad call is NOT the same as being "anti-O"
Saying that hiring a guy who hasn't run an offense in 20 years to solve your offensive woes is an absurd decision is NOT being "anti-O'.
I'm not hoping O fails. I'd love for him to make me eat crow for 10 years because frankly, if I'm right about him, we could be looking at a Archer/Curley/Dinardo era. People don't seem to realize how shite can spiral and almost be impossible to stop.
What I am is simple. I still say hiring him was indefensible and hiring SE was indefensible. I also say that he's made some good calls. The kicking game improvement is monumental for this team at PK, Punter and Kickoff specialist. Burrow was a good call. And others.
So. I judge him as he rolls along and, at some point he'll either prove me right which will disappoint me, or, I'll have to eat some crow. Which I'm totally good with too.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 10:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
I stole this from twitter, but I think it sums up where I am at:
"I don’t think we have to become full-blown believers in Orgeron to acknowledge that the hire clearly isn’t going to be an abject disaster. He may not get LSU where they want to be, but he’s not gonna burn the place down either."
I think that is a fair, level-headed statement.
"I don’t think we have to become full-blown believers in Orgeron to acknowledge that the hire clearly isn’t going to be an abject disaster. He may not get LSU where they want to be, but he’s not gonna burn the place down either."
I think that is a fair, level-headed statement.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 11:02 am to SportTiger1
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literally just spelled it out...hiding behind what?
Last week: we are accepting mediocrity & its a sad state of affairs
This week: my expectation was that we should win 10 games because we are LSU!!!
Stop hiding behind it.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 11:03 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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You implied that he is covering a coaching deficiency with transfers
no i never blamed O for our QB roster for 2018. it was supposed to be Brennan but he's not what was promised
and then i said our QB depth is an issue NOW b/c we only have 2 QBs, but that's not really on O either. i'll trade Burrow for LN and JM
Giles, Fehko, Tracy were just lucky gifts. it's not an indictment on O that he got lucky, but he did get lucky and we can't rely on that
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Who gives a shite about hypothetical losses?
the people who are propping up O now and calling out others who said we'd have those hypothetical losses before Burrow came here
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The notion that O and Ensminger will rely exclusively on transfers QBs is a strawman.
i don't think anyone is making that argument
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No one is throwing in the towel on highschool prospects
well O has to prove he can recruit them, first
then he has to prove he can develop them
Les could recruit them, but he couldn't develop them
Posted on 9/17/18 at 11:05 am to ShortyRob
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. Honestly, the jury is still out on his biggest move though. SE
Ensminger isn't even really "the move". that was Canada and it failed spectacularly
SE was the safe/known commodity but the problem is that it isn't a stable position. for continuity, at best we get 2018 and 2019 and then have to install another offense. it's very likely we may only get one year and then will have our 4th offense in as many years
Posted on 9/17/18 at 11:05 am to SportTiger1
quote:I would say welcome aboard, but you're not really welcome. The door is shut
And we should continue to get better on Off with burrow and the oline getting more experienced
Posted on 9/17/18 at 11:08 am to Lester Earl
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Last week: we are accepting mediocrity & its a sad state of affairs
This week: my expectation was that we should win 10 games because we are LSU!!!
do you mean 10 regular season or total?
people want championships and major bowl games. Les, even with all of his faults, got us both. we fired him to get better. we hired O to maintain the program and improve on small details. is O making us better? has our results under O improved what we saw under Miles? are we challenging for championships? that's the question.
Miles took over a shite show in 2005 and even had to deal with Karina/Rita and still only lost 1 regular season game and went to the SECCG
Posted on 9/17/18 at 11:11 am to LSUStar
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Fisher's Aggies should have beaten Clemson. They don't look so bad now.
Big test this weekend.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 11:12 am to AlxTgr
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I would say welcome aboard, but you're not really welcome. The door is shut
So why are you and others on here begging for approval for O then if you're not going to "let people aboard?"
Posted on 9/17/18 at 11:12 am to Lester Earl
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Last week: we are accepting mediocrity & its a sad state of affairs
This week: my expectation was that we should win 10 games because we are LSU!!!
You realize the two statements are talking about 2 different groups of people, right?
Posted on 9/17/18 at 11:13 am to Goldrush25
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You prefer that type of flimsy support?
Absolutely. It's the nature of the game. Is it your opinion that you have to make a decision and stick to it regardless of outcome?
Posted on 9/17/18 at 11:14 am to SlowFlowPro
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Miles took over a shite show in 2005
taking over a program that had won 2 sec titles and a national title in 5 years is your ides of a shite show? wtf di O take over then? a team that hadn't won a title of any kind in 5 years?
Posted on 9/17/18 at 11:16 am to RogerTheShrubber
Lately TAMU gives the Gumps a run for their money. I am pulling for the Ags all the way.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 11:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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we hired O to maintain the program
Maintain the program meaning:
maintain what happened in regards to 2005 or the state of the program in 14’-15’-16’?
Because there is a clear difference in playing in the sugar bowl & losing to Ark & Ole Miss on the regular.
We’ll know a lot about your questions after this year. Our schedule was already brutal but now A&M, FL & even Ole Miss look to be battles this year.
Through 3 games good things are happening & recruiting is going well.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 11:17 am to Goldrush25
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So why are you and others on here begging for approval for O then if you're not going to "let people aboard?"
That's a specific replay to a specific poster. Others are welcome.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 11:17 am to LSUStar
The aggies will lose by 30
Posted on 9/17/18 at 11:18 am to SportTiger1
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You realize the two statements are talking about 2 different groups of people, right?
....And you continue to hide behind it
Posted on 9/17/18 at 11:27 am to Lester Earl
Oh my...
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