re: How many more staff remakes does o get?

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Glad your dad bought you season tickets.

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I pay for my own tickets thank you very much.

Man you pro Coach O guys just love to insult anyone who has any type of criticism of what he does.

This thread isn't about Cregg. It's about his track record when it comes to hires. That record of hiring coaches is fair to criticize. Objectively he's only made two good hires, and one of them left after a single season.

The system that Coach O is set up to coach in relies on excellent assistant coaches because of his inability to coach either side of the ball. So yeah, when the programs success relies on the ability of the assistant coaches, and the head coach has a spotty record of making good hires, questions should be asked. Especially if the goal is winning championships like you say yours is.

On top of that, it isn't like Coach O is having to try and find coaches that are diamonds on the rough because of budget restrictions. Or that it's tough to convince coaches to come to LSU. LSU has one of the highest assistant coaching budgets in all of college football, and some of the best talent a coach can ask for.

If LSU had high turnover because of success like they did in 2019, you wouldn't hear me say a peep. It's the high turnover rate due to failure that's concerning, especially given the money and resources that LSU throws around to hire those individuals.

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If he wins a natty every four years he can remake the staff as much as he wants.

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Amen. I’d love one every year or every two but we aren’t Alabama. I’ll take every 4 years. That’s more than pretty much everyone else.

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Apparently this "system" is important everywhere bc all teams are trying to hire the best assistants...even Bama.

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All teams want the best assistants they can get. But when your head coach doesn't coach either side of the ball, it becomes a little more important.

Almost every top tier coach can coach one side of the ball. Saban and Kirby can coach the defense. Mullen, Jimbo, Riley, and Day can coach the offense. You see this in the NFL too. McVay, Belichick, Payton, etc.

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What makes you think a guy who has been in coaching and football all his life can't coach either side of the ball? serious question

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I think this for a few reasons
1.Despite this extensive coaching career, he has never held a coordinator position.
2. He openly admitted from his time at Ole Miss that part of the reason the team failed was because he tried to do much. Said he needed to sit back and let the coaches coach. Not try to influence them. We all saw what happen when he tried this for the Troy game.
3. This past year we could all see that Bo was a disaster. I would assume that if he was a capable defense of coordinator he would have stepped in and fixed things. But we really didn't see any type of improvement throughout the season from a scheme perspective.

Maybe he can, but it hasn't been shown, and it's never something that's talked about when people bring up what Coach O is good at.

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The Pelini hire was terrible

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It's been more than just the Pelini hire. In 2019 we had a young energetic coaching staff. In 2020 he replaced it with one of the oldest coaching staffs in the country. I like that Coach O reached out to Brady and Aranda to see who they thought would make good fits for the team. It's frustrating that he did that this year and not last year.

Coaches learn from their mistakes and that's part of the process, but when you're the head coach at LSU making 7 million dollars a year, having more misses than makes when it comes to assistant coaches shouldn't be acceptable.

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Not only that but I rewatched the "18" game between LSU and Georgia last night. Number two team in the nation.
Georgia team was made up of four and five stars and Smart had a year head start over Orgeron. Their Defense was very strong.
LSU's OL was the difference in the game, in the fourth quarter. They opened holes for Brosette and Hilliard.
Creggs problem wasn't coaching it was recruiting.

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Did you also catch the '18 games against SELU and LA Tech? Or are we only cherry picking the good ones?

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Orgeron has basically made two good hires in 4 years. He's had to fire, reassign or get help for 6 hires after only 1 season. It's absolutely a fair question. If he has to do again after this year, what kind of confidence do you have that he will be successful in the next hires?

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It's not an unfair question.

He got the job in large part based upon a promise to bring Kiffen to LSU as OC. When that fell through he had to scramble and deliver a "big name" OC. Enter Canada. That relationship blew up after 3 games. He then hired E as OC. He was ok, but clearly wasn't going to make LSU a great offense (0 points in 8 quarters, at home, vs. Alabama). After two misses he hit on Brady. Then he hired Linehan seemingly out of nowhere…only to have to replace him one year later.

He essentially intertied Les's defensive staff. Bill Busch was hired at the demand of Aranda in order to remain at LSU. After Aranda left O hired Pelini...who was a disaster in every way imaginable (on the field and an insanely stupid contract). Jerry Sullivan was his first WR coach...who had to be replaced. Cregg has been lukewarm, at best.

Sure, other programs experience turnover. But very few of O's hires have moved on to "better" jobs. (Not counting analyst), on Brady and Meatball have left for promotions.

O has made two BIG (name and monetarily) coordinator hires: Canada and Pelini. BOTH ended in a year with LSU having to eat big buyouts to get rid of them. He hasn't been a hiring savant. He's basically hitting .250 thus far. It just so happens he hit a grand slam when he paired up Brady with the experienced roster in 2019.

It seems like O's entire career/life has been a cycle of stupid mistakes. Learning from those mistakes to have some success. Only to then make another round of stupid mistakes. Hopefully we are in an "upswing" in that cycle. I'm certainly optimistic!

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When that fell through he had to scramble and deliver a "big name" OC.

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I don't see why he would have had to scramble. If I recall correctly, Kiffin getting a head coaching job was always a possibility. Orgeron should have had a list of better backup choices already vetted.

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Sullivan was his first WR coach...who had to be replaced.

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Mickey Joseph was the WR coach in 2017. Sullivan replaced him as WR coach.

So Nicholastiger, what do u think? Let's just fire O & hire Lil'Nicky? I am sure in your heart of hearts, Lil'Nicky is just waiting for Nicholastiger to invite him back.
OK, lets go with that.

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We do it every single year

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No we don't

And neither does anyone else. If you googled LSU record prediction you'd be hard pressed to find a prediction that includes a bowl game. The overwhelming majority are just regular season games.

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And neither does anyone else.

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Absolutely.

If you tell someone that a three loss season is the floor, you aren't amending that for a bowl game chief.

That is the floor, period. Your shitty math skills nothwithstanding.