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re: How long before one of the teams from the Power Four op out of championship game?

Posted on 12/3/25 at 5:29 pm to
Posted by tigerburningbright75
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since May 2011
1145 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 5:29 pm to
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I'm tired of people trying to ruin everything that was good about this sport, by replacing everything with never ending expansion, realignment, pseudo free agency, and trying to duck out of playing games, for one reason or another.
There's nothing good anymore about conference title games. They've outlived their usefulness. They're only good for getting a key player hurt like Carson Beck (Georgia QB) last season.
Posted by GeorgeWest
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2013
14726 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 5:31 pm to
Someone cares about the SECCG. I have had 2 season tickets to that game since it moved to ATL in 1994. I use them when LSU plays and sell them when LSU is not in it. FRIDAY night late someone bought my two tickets online and paid $525 each for them. In 2024, I sold them for $350 each.
Posted by Hamma1122
Member since Sep 2016
21838 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 5:56 pm to
It won’t be long
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
17010 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 6:09 pm to
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I never advocated for the stupid 12 team playoff. These conference championship games held a lot more importance when we weren't watering down the field with this stupid format. So no. My position isn't what's ruining the sport. It's the people who are constantly trying to fix what wasn't broken who are ruining the sport.

So would you like to go back to the BCS? Or would you like to go back to when the AP just named the national champion? What is your perfect system?
This post was edited on 12/3/25 at 6:10 pm
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
6705 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 7:18 pm to
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So would you like to go back to the BCS? Or would you like to go back to when the AP just named the national champion? What is your perfect system?


There's your problem, right there. You want a perfect system. There isn't one. Trying to make a perfect system is how you muddy the waters and make things worse. A 4 to 8 team playoff is enough. Trying to make all the whiners happy who say they've been left out, is never going to work. Because each time you expand, whatever the number is, the next few teams out will argue that they were more deserving than the teams directly in front of them. I said this before there was any playoff at all. And here we are. We jumped from 4 to 12, and people are arguing for more expansion.

You can't make everyone happy. So leave it alone. That's my position. You're not going to agree, and I get it. I'm also not going to change my mind, because I'm tired of change for the sake of change. It's exhausting, and pointless.
Posted by PigDog33
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2021
922 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 7:21 pm to
I think bama would be dropped out of the playoffs if they opted out of the SEC championship game.

The real question would be if an undefeated team that is already a lock for a top 4 seed opted out.
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
6705 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 7:23 pm to
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There's nothing good anymore about conference title games. They've outlived their usefulness. They're only good for getting a key player hurt like Carson Beck (Georgia QB) last season.


People get hurt in practice. I've never bought that as an excuse to not play a game.

The people who complain that it hurts them, quickly change their mind when that game serves as a de facto play in for their team. There are two sides to every argument.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
17010 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 7:34 pm to
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There's your problem, right there. You want a perfect system. There isn't one.

No, I want the best system possible. Which we haven’t achieved yet. I want as many of the most entertaining games between the best teams in the country that I can get.
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Trying to make all the whiners happy who say they've been left out, is never going to work.

Who is advocating for that?
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You can't make everyone happy. So leave it alone.

I can’t imagine saying that “you can’t make everyone happy so why even try to improve it”
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
6705 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 8:01 pm to
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No, I want the best system possible. Which we haven’t achieved yet. I want as many of the most entertaining games between the best teams in the country that I can get.


There is nothing entertaining about watching some crappy team outside of the top ten get blown out. And you are advocating for even more teams to be let in.

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Who is advocating for that?


Who? That is literally the reason we even have a playoff. If it's not about letting more supposedly "deserving" teams have an opportunity, then it doesn't have a purpose.

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I can’t imagine saying that “you can’t make everyone happy so why even try to improve it”


Strawman argument. Making change for the sake of change does not equal "better". People have tried to "improve" the system and have only succeeding in watering it down. So it is basic logic that adding on more teams, and getting rid of conference championships will only water it down even more.

You want the best system possible, but you don't know what that is. And that's the problem. I liked things the way they were at 4 teams. Others weren't satisfied. Now we have 12. You want more. You see the pattern here? Just because you might like something more, doesn't mean it's what's best for everyone. You are elevating your own opinion as if it's the only one that matters, and you don't take into account that plenty of people agree with my side of the argument. So where do we go from here? We just change things because change is good? No thanks.
This post was edited on 12/3/25 at 8:08 pm
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
10562 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 8:04 pm to
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I want as many of the most entertaining games between the best teams in the country that I can get.


that starts in Aug/Sep.
the more teams you let in, the more losses become “accepted” and the quality we get all season long dips.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
17010 posts
Posted on 12/3/25 at 9:34 pm to
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There is nothing entertaining about watching some crappy team outside of the top ten get blown out. And you are advocating for even more teams to be let in.

I already said I’m fine with keeping it at 12 teams, but that’s just not going to happen. Also part of the problem last year was the seeding which has hopefully been somewhat corrected. They are trying to improve the system. I personally have other ideas that I think would improve it as well.
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Who? That is literally the reason we even have a playoff. If it's not about letting more supposedly "deserving" teams have an opportunity, then it doesn't have a purpose.

The reason we have a playoff is 1) to not have teams disqualified from a national championship for losing a game in September and 2) money.
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Strawman argument. Making change for the sake of change does not equal "better". People have tried to "improve" the system and have only succeeding in watering it down. So it is basic logic that adding on more teams, and getting rid of conference championships will only water it down even more.

I disagree. There are now games later in the season that matter more than they ever have.
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You want the best system possible, but you don't know what that is. And that's the problem.

And neither do you. Like you said, no system is perfect right?
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Now we have 12. You want more.

I’ve already said I’m fine with 12.
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Just because you might like something more, doesn't mean it's what's best for everyone. You are elevating your own opinion as if it's the only one that matters

And what are you doing? You are speaking in with a lot of definitives such as “I'm tired of people trying to ruin everything that was good about this sport”. Sounds like you are elevating your own opinion as if it’s the only one that matters.
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So where do we go from here? We just change things because change is good?

Not at all. You change things because you think it can be better. A few things I would change:
- Better scheduling. We need more equal schedules across the country in order to judge teams fairly.
- Better seeding. Hopefully the are getting there with the change this year.
- Better way to rank teams. 13 members deciding the rankings is insane. I would like to see something like the BCS system.
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