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re: How did Les always do so well in opening games?

Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:21 am to
Posted by iamandykeim
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:21 am to
Only opener Les ever lost was his final one. Had a great bowl record, too. I just thought about how funny it would be for him to be coaching in a playoff game. Idk why that cracks me up.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
13410 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:21 am to
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If you ask me, it was a miracle we were as close as we were last year to florida st considering all the turnover, additions, subtractions

LSU had a better record than Florida State in 2021.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:25 am to
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He had the team prepared and mentally and physically tough.

Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
80267 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:26 am to
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FSU was not a good team last year

Not true

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We played like total arse and still could have easily won that game.

Because of all the new pieces and moving parts. We were down late by alot and almost pulled off a fluke
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
5055 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:36 am to
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Les gets crapped on but he was a very good coach until he did not change with the times. Saban saw what was happening in the game and changed. Miles failed and became a relic.

But, He had the team prepared and mentally and physically tough.


This. From 2005-2011 Les lived in a conference with Meyer, Saban, Tuberville, Richt, Spurrier, Nutt/Petrino and rarely had a bad game plan to secure victory.

But the sport become so heavily dependent on having that guy at QB and Les was simply incapable of recruiting and/or developing that guy. And eventually there was one team in Alabama that surpassed LSU in overall talent, especially along the line of scrimmage.

And for better or worse LSU under Les didn’t need a few weeks to discover its identity. Those teams walked off the bus week 1 knowing who they were.
Posted by OKTiger83
Norman
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:52 am to
Big cat drill
Posted by WDAIII
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Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:05 am to
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Posted by Not Cooper
Member since Jun 2015
4943 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:15 am to
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How did Les always do so well in opening games?

He didn’t lol.

-Loss in 2016
-Come back from down 14 in the 4th in 2014 vs Wisconsin
-Goal line stand in 2010 with no time remaining to beat UNC by 6. They had over 14 players suspended.
-Beat a 5-7 Washington team by 8 in 2009
-Beat 4-8 TCU by 10 in 2013

Really only had 1 good opener and that was 2011. The rest were cupcakes.
Posted by BengalShark
Member since Jul 2017
3732 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:47 am to
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Les Miles was a good coach.


He really was. Glad we had him… many great memories from the 2007 season…

especially when he told off reporters about him going to Michigan, proceeded to win SEC championship vs Tennessee with a backup QB.

A bunch of wild stuff after that happened as most of us know including West Virginia who was in line to go to National Championship losing to Pittsburgh bc LeSean McCoy ran all over them…

It sent LSU to the NC where we ended up beating Ohio State. What a great season!



Posted by GeauxTigers247
Member since Oct 2019
1563 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:51 am to
Because he fielded the most talented teams overall in LSU history.
Posted by LSUtiger89
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
4132 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 11:02 am to
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Music in the locker room


Except miles didn’t have music in the locker room
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
59004 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 11:05 am to
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As flawed as he was, his teams always came ready to play week one minus 2016 when he was already a dead man walking. How do you think he did it?


Did you see the intensity and sheer violence of his practices? We were not going to be physically outmatched unless you brought Bama in who could match us physically.

Xs and Os...not defending the man. Strategy....not defending him....but you better strap it up against a Miles team in his prime. That gets you a long way in games where neither team is executing that well.
Posted by Schmelly
Member since Jan 2014
15176 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 11:07 am to
If Saban stayed in the NFL, Miles would have at minimum, a couple more NCs
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
44129 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 11:31 am to
Talent
Before NIL


Talent
Posted by TIGERhype
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2014
1015 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 11:41 am to
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Starts with Jimmie's snd joes. Say what you want about Les but we were a mainstay in top 5 recruiting with him and he closed like a monster.

If you have superior athletes you can typically beat teams without an overly
Complicated scheme.

Les wanted to control the clock, keep his defense fresh and squeeze the life out of the game.

Only thing you can really do about Keon Coleman bodying your DBs is to get better DBs.

The plays were there to be made, we didn't make them.

Also he didn't continually give guys chances if the fumbled/dropped passes.I highly doubt Kyren Lacey would have gotten any more snaps at the first drop if Les was the coach.


Bingo! Couldn't have said it any better.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
21834 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 11:46 am to
Les was a good coach, and he understood the cards he was dealt (even towards the end )

He made the game as simple as possible, because he learned from Bo Schembechler at Michigan.
He knew if you had the better talent, the stronger and faster guys, you can push the other team around. Gimmick offenses existed to give lesser teams a chance, and LSU didn't need to run one. It could line up and smash you in the mouth at the line of scrimmage, and run 230 lb backs on toss dives off right tackle all game. And if the opponent didn't have the men to stand up to that, it would get you 4 yds in the first quarter, 5 yds in the second, and 7 yds a carry by the end. And in order to stop it, the opponent would have to stack the box, so play action or a good dual threat would destroy that defense.

His defenses adapted to the game, so while we loved to mock Chavis, it's no coincidence LSU was the only team to shut Johnny Football down, and they did so the same way they shut Georgia Tech's triple option down, or Oregon's fast-paced HUNH read-options. D Line power to collapse the line of scrimmage and play in the backfield, blazing speed at linebacker to eliminate any outside run or misdirection, skilled secondary that stayed with opposing receivers.

People claimed the game got away from Les, but Bama under Saban was the only team that could consistently beat LSU, and Les was looking for a dual threat QB all the way back to 2007. He had Perilloux, but that blew up. Tried to make Jefferson, but he wasn't really the right guy to do that. Nor was Shepard, Johnson, or Harris.
But you could see what he wanted- Clemson had Deshaun Watson, and that's the only team that could fight Bama head-on and win. And I firmly believe LSU had better talent than Clemson across the board, other than that QB spot.

You give Les a guy like Daniels, and he wins a couple more titles. Definitely takes 2011, probably another season too, even with Saban out there. Watching the portal appear after he left, that probably kills Les. He could have cherry-picked his QBs for multiple runs.

Kelly currently doesn't have NEAR the talent Miles had on the team. You can see that in the roster- we're playing freshmen, sophomores, and transfers. We're missing 2 classes out there. In another couple years, we'll have them, and be back to playing at the highest level again. You need those homegrown upperclassmen who understand the system, to be the base of the program.

Hopefully that's why Nuss is sticking around; understanding that Daniels is the bridge and HE will be the guy running a full squad.
Posted by GetmorewithLes
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
20969 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 11:59 am to
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As flawed as he was, his teams always came ready to play week one minus 2016 when he was already a dead man walking. How do you think he did it?


I remember back in 2011 that LSU studied Oregon all spring and summer to the point they had the DL shed 10-15 lbs in anticipation of needing more quickness. This yr the ghost of Les Miles dusted off the same ole plan from last yr and rolled it into game week…
Posted by baseballcoach23
Member since Jun 2017
231 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 11:59 am to
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Les gets crapped on but he was a very good coach until he did not change with the times.


I feel like he became ultra-conservative passing the ball after Jarrett Lee's freshman year. It wasn't until he trusted Zach Mettenberger to open the playbook for a short time.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
16571 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:13 pm to
He had more talent than the teams he played on opening day....always....even Oregon.

Also, UNC had 13 players suspended and still almost beat him, TCU just was not very good and he split with Wisconsin teams that we were more talented than.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
38220 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 12:56 pm to
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Les gets crapped on but he was a very good coach


He was. He was never a great coach but he was close to being a great recruiter and still a very good coach. He did see to have in-game lapses but not nearly as many as the rantards would have you believe.

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he did not change with the times.


That kind of moved him from the very good to the good level. His style will always win you more games than it loses but it won't get you to the promised land if you have to play multiple modern high-end offenses.
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