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re: How close did Arnsparger have us to a NC??
Posted on 4/13/11 at 2:38 pm to AlaTiger
Posted on 4/13/11 at 2:38 pm to AlaTiger
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That '87 team was the best of the 80's, in my opinion. I think we finished 5th.
Recordwise, it was. I'd take the '82 team on the field though. Even now, I'd list it as one of the best teams ever to play at LSU.
We weren't gonna win a national title with Arnsparger. If for no other reason, as someone else alluded to, the SEC could not compete with the elite teams of the day during his era. Oklahoma, Miami, Nebraska were all far and away much better programs than anything we had in-conference. Funny how things change.
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Posted on 4/13/11 at 2:40 pm to NorthshoreTiger76
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did we not show up and play or was baylor a decent team then?
Baylor was awful, Tigers didn't show up to play. Seem to remember the players had Christmas Dinner at a 7-11...microwave burritos, I kid you not
Posted on 4/13/11 at 3:42 pm to Scoob
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Recordwise, it was. I'd take the '82 team on the field though. Even now, I'd list it as one of the best teams ever to play at LSU.
We weren't gonna win a national title with Arnsparger. If for no other reason, as someone else alluded to, the SEC could not compete with the elite teams of the day during his era. Oklahoma, Miami, Nebraska were all far and away much better programs than anything we had in-conference. Funny how things change.
You nailed the big difference between the 82 and 87 teams. The 82 team probably could have played with anyone in that season; their losses (other than Nebraska) were underachieving performances. The 87 team record was a function of a weak SEC and few fans had the illusion that we could compete with Oklahoma or Nebraska that year.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 3:56 pm to Doc Fenton
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(B) liked Florida and the San Diego Chargers more than he liked LSU.
I can't argue with this point but it is interesting Arnsparger and his wife still donate to LSU. He is always on the list of donors for the Alumni Association.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 3:58 pm to SpqrTiger
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programs like LSU that were really under-televised in the 1980's
I couldn't disagree more with this statement.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 4:24 pm to H-Town Tiger
What happened in the Liberty Bowl thread?
Posted on 4/13/11 at 5:03 pm to PennsylvaniaTiger
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My point here was that the 1982 team was stronger even though there record was not as good as the 1987 team.
82 was a great team, but 87 was better imho. I'll look at the rosters later.
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LSU was in line to play Georgia in the Sugar Bowl.
hum, I don't remember that, seems like back then the Sugar Bowl didn't want LSU and there was not the push to have a 1 v 2 match up like there is now.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 5:06 pm to stapuffmarshy
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What happened in the Liberty Bowl thread?
it was just a long, great discussion about this era of LSU football.
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Baylor was awful,
They were 9-3, they lost at UGA by 3, at Ark by 3 and at Texas by 7. Cody Carlson was a good college QB and a decent NFL back up for a while. Baylor had a good number of NFL players back then. This wasn't Baylor circa 99.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 5:08 pm to Doc Fenton
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It was the whole crazy/psycho/nutso Bob Brodhead circus that really brought the ship down.
Broadhead was a great AD. He did hire Bertman, Arnsbarger - who was a fine coach, and our basketball program was bigger than ever, track came around as well.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 5:09 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Baylor had a good number of NFL players back then.
They had Mike Singletary as late as 1980.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 5:16 pm to PennsylvaniaTiger
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You nailed the big difference between the 82 and 87 teams. The 82 team probably could have played with anyone in that season; their losses (other than Nebraska) were underachieving performances. The 87 team record was a function of a weak SEC and few fans had the illusion that we could compete with Oklahoma or Nebraska that year
Whoa, hold on a second there hoss. Its not just the record, the 87 team had a ton of talent (as did 82). Their only loss was to Alabama when Tommy Hodson was hurt. They tied tOSU who was ranked in the top 10 at the time, but fell apart. We should have won that game but for bad coaching.
82 lost to 2 losing teams, MSU and Tulane and tied a 6-5-1 UT.
As for the SEC being weak in 87. LSU was 10-1-1. Auburn 9-1-2, Tenn 10-2-1 UGA 9-3. All finished in the top 15. Now 82 was a little deeper with UGA 11-1, LSU 8-3-1, AU 9-3, Bama 8-4, UF 8-4 and Vandy 8-4 (Vandy was 8-4?
) Sory, I'll stick by statement best team between 69 and 2003 was 1987.
This post was edited on 4/13/11 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 4/13/11 at 5:24 pm to Jaketigger
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Broadhead was a great AD.
I would tend to agree that Brodhead was a great AD, but there was a lot of crazy shite going down before he got replaced by Joe Dean, and his office was at the eye of the hurricane.
I was way too young at the time to understand any of what really went on, but I've heard weird stories about tapping everyone's phone conversations and shite like that.
Maybe an older poster can help fill in some of the story here for us.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 5:46 pm to Doc Fenton
Broadhead was ahead of his time. I recommend his book Sacked!. Its one sided, but has good insights into some of the things he did, like Tigervision and advertising in the stadium.
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As for the bugging, I believe he bugged his office when some NCAA investigators where interviewing people about various violations, mostly basketball iirc using his office.
I think they talk about it some in the piece on Dale Brown.
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As for the bugging, I believe he bugged his office when some NCAA investigators where interviewing people about various violations, mostly basketball iirc using his office.
I think they talk about it some in the piece on Dale Brown.
LINK
Posted on 4/13/11 at 5:52 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Broadhead was ahead of his time. I recommend his book Sacked!. Its one sided, but has good insights into some of the things he did, like Tigervision and advertising in the stadium.
LINK
As for the bugging, I believe he bugged his office when some NCAA investigators where interviewing people about various violations, mostly basketball iirc using his office.
I think they talk about it some in the piece on Dale Brown.
LINK
this is correct. I was in school from 83-88. It was one of the best stretches in LSU sports history with baseball, basketball and football all being so strong for the complete time.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 7:52 pm to mikeytig
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Ill say this, if Bob Broadhead had been here at the time Arsparger bolted, LSU would never have had to deal with Archer, Hallman, and DiNardo as head coaches. As bad as some of these guys were, none of them were as bad for LSU as Joe Dean.
Wasn't he the genius that left Spurrier sitting at the airport waiting for his LSU interview while he was hiring Archer?
Man - I LOVE that guy.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 8:04 pm to clamdip
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All you have to do is look at the NFL talent Arnsparger's staff brought in that led those '87 and '88 teams.
Heck, Archer brought us below SWAC level on talent. When you have Gary Pegues and Jamie Bice and Tommy Fabacher in your starting secondary, you are a horrendous recruiter.
Don't know about the others, but Archer wasn't the head coach when Bice was recruited.
My older sister had him in a couple of history classes (IIRC, they were both history majors...my sis was, I think he was as well). Said he was nice, very smart...I had no idea he wasn't that talented. Anyway, she graduated in from LSU in '88 along with him, which would make him an Arnsparger recruit.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 9:03 pm to gatorubet
Did broadhead retire or was he forced out?
Posted on 4/13/11 at 9:05 pm to gatorubet
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Wasn't he the genius that left Spurrier sitting at the airport waiting for his LSU interview while he was hiring Archer?
Don't forget that Arnsparger recommended LSU hire Archer, then he turned around and hired Spurrier.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 9:24 pm to NorthshoreTiger76
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Did broadhead retire or was he forced out?
Brodhead was forced to resign.
LSU was pretty much run by the good ole boys back then.
The good ole boys then brought us Joe Dean. The athletic department suffered, but the good ole boys had their man in the AD's office.
Posted on 4/13/11 at 9:35 pm to timlan2057
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The good ole boys then brought us Joe Dean. The athletic department suffered, but the good ole boys had their man in the AD's office.
True. You can make a case for Dr Mark Emmert being the man who dug LSU out of the political manure pile.
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